[Peter Wittenburg]

Dear Data Fabric Colleagues,
we stated in the Announcement CET and meant CEST – we still have the distinction between summer time and winter time in Europe.
best
peter
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From: peter.wittenburg=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wittenburg
Sent: Freitag, 10. Mai 2019 09:52
To: Data Fabric IG (***@***.***-groups.org)
Cc: ***@***.***; ***@***.***
Subject: [rda-datafabric-ig] Webworkshop on Adaptation of Repositories to DOIP on 22.5
Dear RDA Data Fabric Colleagues,
after having held two webinars about the basics of DO and DO Interface Protocol, we will now start with Web-Workshops (Workinars) to discuss concrete implementation matters. A first such online working meeting will be organised with repository managers and DOIP experts using two concrete examples. More such online working meetings and a side workshop at the RDA Plenary in Helsinki are intended. Therefore, please, join the coming meeting where you can get involved in the discussions. More information will be made available at the GEDE DO web site.
Adaptation of Repositories to the
Digital Object Interface Protocol
22.5. 2019 from 16.00-18.00 CET
URL: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/177773245
Best regards
Peter
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Senior Advisor Max Planck Computing and Data Facility, Mobile: +49 15141858784
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Thanks Lesley.
I will also cc to George.
Let me mention that much of the work grew in the Data Fabric IG.
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
From: Lesley Wyborn [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Mittwoch, 25. April 2018 07:19
To: Wittenburg, Peter; Data Fabric IG
Cc: Stefanie Kethers; Andrew Treloar
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Hi Peter
I have copied Stefanie Kethers in on this.
She ran a BoF at the RDA Berlin plenary around the topic of RDA outputs and supporting outputs (https://rd-alliance.org/towards-fairer-rda-outputs-rda-11th-plenary-bof-… )
It’s a good report uip have written, and it would be great if we can get it endorsed as an RDA supporting output.
Take care
Lesley
From: “Wittenburg, Peter”
Date: Wednesday, 25 April 2018 at 2:54 pm
To: Lesley Wyborn , Data Fabric IG
Subject: RE: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Well – what to say 🙂
Just refer to the DOI if you like.
We should bring it to the attention of the RDA folks indeed to make it a “supported output”. This is something we need to consider.
best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
– Show quoted text -From: Lesley Wyborn [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 08:23
To: Wittenburg, Peter; Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Hi Peter
Thanks for this.
I guess I am being a little bit old fashioned and not too familiar with how to cite this type of literature.
I have cited this in a project proposal and I am not sure if you cite this as an RDA report or whether this is a EUDAT report or what, or whether the DOI or handle are sufficient.
Take care
Lesley
From: “Wittenburg, Peter”
Date: Tuesday, 24 April 2018 at 4:14 pm
To: Lesley Wyborn , Data Fabric IG
Subject: RE: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Dear Lesley, all,
you can find it here – use DOI or Handle.
Common Patterns in Revolutionary Infrastructures and Data
http://doi.org/10.23728/b2share.4e8ac36c0dd343da81fd9e83e72805a0
http://hdl.handle.net/11304/34c5c223-adf9-49fa-9afe-968a7a932970
After a round of commenting we might want to create an updated version. Not clear yet.
Best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
From: lesley.wyborn=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Lesley Wyborn
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 00:46
To: Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
How do you officially cite this paper – is it an RDA publication or what?
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Thanks Lesley.
I will also cc to George.
Let me mention that much of the work grew in the Data Fabric IG.
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
From: Lesley Wyborn [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Mittwoch, 25. April 2018 07:19
To: Wittenburg, Peter; Data Fabric IG
Cc: Stefanie Kethers; Andrew Treloar
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Hi Peter
I have copied Stefanie Kethers in on this.
She ran a BoF at the RDA Berlin plenary around the topic of RDA outputs and supporting outputs (https://rd-alliance.org/towards-fairer-rda-outputs-rda-11th-plenary-bof-… )
It’s a good report uip have written, and it would be great if we can get it endorsed as an RDA supporting output.
Take care
Lesley
From: “Wittenburg, Peter”
Date: Wednesday, 25 April 2018 at 2:54 pm
To: Lesley Wyborn , Data Fabric IG
Subject: RE: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Well – what to say 🙂
Just refer to the DOI if you like.
We should bring it to the attention of the RDA folks indeed to make it a “supported output”. This is something we need to consider.
best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
From: Lesley Wyborn [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 08:23
To: Wittenburg, Peter; Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Hi Peter
Thanks for this.
I guess I am being a little bit old fashioned and not too familiar with how to cite this type of literature.
I have cited this in a project proposal and I am not sure if you cite this as an RDA report or whether this is a EUDAT report or what, or whether the DOI or handle are sufficient.
Take care
Lesley
From: “Wittenburg, Peter”
Date: Tuesday, 24 April 2018 at 4:14 pm
To: Lesley Wyborn , Data Fabric IG
Subject: RE: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Dear Lesley, all,
you can find it here – use DOI or Handle.
Common Patterns in Revolutionary Infrastructures and Data
http://doi.org/10.23728/b2share.4e8ac36c0dd343da81fd9e83e72805a0
http://hdl.handle.net/11304/34c5c223-adf9-49fa-9afe-968a7a932970
After a round of commenting we might want to create an updated version. Not clear yet.
Best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
– Show quoted text -From: lesley.wyborn=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Lesley Wyborn
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 00:46
To: Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
How do you officially cite this paper – is it an RDA publication or what?
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Well – what to say 🙂
Just refer to the DOI if you like.
We should bring it to the attention of the RDA folks indeed to make it a “supported output”. This is something we need to consider.
best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
– Show quoted text -From: Lesley Wyborn [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 08:23
To: Wittenburg, Peter; Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Hi Peter
Thanks for this.
I guess I am being a little bit old fashioned and not too familiar with how to cite this type of literature.
I have cited this in a project proposal and I am not sure if you cite this as an RDA report or whether this is a EUDAT report or what, or whether the DOI or handle are sufficient.
Take care
Lesley
From: “Wittenburg, Peter”
Date: Tuesday, 24 April 2018 at 4:14 pm
To: Lesley Wyborn , Data Fabric IG
Subject: RE: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Dear Lesley, all,
you can find it here – use DOI or Handle.
Common Patterns in Revolutionary Infrastructures and Data
http://doi.org/10.23728/b2share.4e8ac36c0dd343da81fd9e83e72805a0
http://hdl.handle.net/11304/34c5c223-adf9-49fa-9afe-968a7a932970
After a round of commenting we might want to create an updated version. Not clear yet.
Best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
From: lesley.wyborn=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Lesley Wyborn
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 00:46
To: Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
How do you officially cite this paper – is it an RDA publication or what?
—
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Well – what to say 🙂
Just refer to the DOI if you like.
We should bring it to the attention of the RDA folks indeed to make it a “supported output”. This is something we need to consider.
best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
From: Lesley Wyborn [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 08:23
To: Wittenburg, Peter; Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Hi Peter
Thanks for this.
I guess I am being a little bit old fashioned and not too familiar with how to cite this type of literature.
I have cited this in a project proposal and I am not sure if you cite this as an RDA report or whether this is a EUDAT report or what, or whether the DOI or handle are sufficient.
Take care
Lesley
From: “Wittenburg, Peter”
Date: Tuesday, 24 April 2018 at 4:14 pm
To: Lesley Wyborn , Data Fabric IG
Subject: RE: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
Dear Lesley, all,
you can find it here – use DOI or Handle.
Common Patterns in Revolutionary Infrastructures and Data
http://doi.org/10.23728/b2share.4e8ac36c0dd343da81fd9e83e72805a0
http://hdl.handle.net/11304/34c5c223-adf9-49fa-9afe-968a7a932970
After a round of commenting we might want to create an updated version. Not clear yet.
Best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
– Show quoted text -From: lesley.wyborn=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Lesley Wyborn
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 00:46
To: Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
How do you officially cite this paper – is it an RDA publication or what?
—
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Dear Lesley, all,
you can find it here – use DOI or Handle.
Common Patterns in Revolutionary Infrastructures and Data
http://doi.org/10.23728/b2share.4e8ac36c0dd343da81fd9e83e72805a0
http://hdl.handle.net/11304/34c5c223-adf9-49fa-9afe-968a7a932970
After a round of commenting we might want to create an updated version. Not clear yet.
Best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
– Show quoted text -From: lesley.wyborn=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Lesley Wyborn
Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2018 00:46
To: Data Fabric IG
Subject: Re: [rda-datafabric-ig] paper on infrastructure evolution patterns
How do you officially cite this paper – is it an RDA publication or what?
—
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Dear Fotis,
again many thanks to you and the team to have written this very good report.
We will add it to the set of reports we will present to the reviewers of course.
best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 Skype: peterwittenburg1
***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
From: Rdaeu-bod [mailto:***@***.***-alliance.org] On Behalf Of Fotis Karagiannis
Sent: Freitag, 2. März 2018 21:27
To: Francoise Genova; ***@***.***-alliance.org
Cc: RDA Europe Task Force on Sustainability
Subject: [Rdaeu-bod] Final version of the sustainability report
Dear Francoise, dear all,
I really appreciate that you went once more through the document in detail and for providing corrections and comments. I have integrated all your comments. Attached is the final version.
After a short call today with Peter, it was decided to label the version as final, especially as an earlier version of the document was sent to the EC already in December and they had the time to comment. Their main point was whether we have been liaising with the Council and their relevant efforts, and this was clearly the case (through Ingrid and the Council members).
We also agreed with Peter that it would be good to prepare a public version of the document removing any sensitive information (e.g. the budgets), but we can do this later on. If you have any concrete points (what information should be removed besides budgets), please let me know.
I will be sending now this version to Pilar, on behalf of Peter, and will let you know if we receive any further feedback.
Once again thanks a lot for all your efforts!
Kind regards,
Fotis
– Show quoted text -From: Rdaeu-bod On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 5:30 PM
To: ***@***.***-alliance.org
Subject: Re: [Rdaeu-bod] RDA Europe 3 Task Force on Sustainability Report – prefinal
Dear Fotis,
I was able to read the document only today. I attach a version with a few comments, typos, etc. No worries, only very few, but some are worth an update of the text I think.
Apologies for answering so late
Kind regards
Francoise
Le 23/02/2018 à 17:14, Fotis Karagiannis a écrit :
Dear all,
I have prepared the pre-final version of the report integrating all the comments received. You can find the document in two versions, with tracked changes and clean.
I have integrated the comments/inputs from:
1. Silvana, on the EC recommendation and on-going collaboration between the new EOSC projects (EOSC-Hub, OpenAIRE-Advance) and RDA to reuse the RDA platform
2. Natalie, on OECD Global Science Forum and ALLEA E-humanities WG
3. Hilary, reviewing the document as the new SG, also with an RDA Global eye
I also went through and updated the whole document as several points have become already outdated, e.g. dates, future actions became past actions, new projects now started like EOSC-Hub and OpenAIRE-Advance, second batch of ICT specifications approved and many more. I have updated the landscape analysis section with the above started projects and their collaboration with RDA, the GEDE output, etc.; updated the financial section with the recent calculations from the Finance Subcommittee, and also made some other minor/editing changes. After accepting all the changes in the clean version, there were some spelling or other errors revealed, so this version should be used as the latest one.
Let me know if you have any further comments. I would propose that the document is (officially) sent to the Commission at the end of next week. It may be better to label it as “prefinal version” allowing for the EC to come back with some comments before closing it, but if you feel otherwise (especially Peter depending on their expectations), please let me know (and we can label it “final”).
The last point to consider is whether we want to make part of the document public (e.g. by removing some sensitive parts, such as budget tables or other delicate points).
I would like to thank all the Task Force members and BoD members who have actively contributed to this document and I think that it is a good read!
All the best,
Fotis
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Dear Fotis,
again: thanks a lot for your effort to create this excellent document.
best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 ***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
From: Fotis Karagiannis [mailto:***@***.***-innovation.gr]
Sent: Freitag, 24. November 2017 04:38
To: RDA Europe Task Force on Sustainability
Cc: RDA EU Board of Directors
Subject: [Rdaeu-bod] Next version of the RDA Europe Sustainability Task Force document
Dear all,
I have tried to integrate the vast majority of the comments raised. I attach the document in two versions as usual:
* With tracked changes and comments (based on Peter’s version)
* A clean version.
The main changes are the following:
* Added an executive summary
* Rewritten the Conclusions and Recommendations section (reworked also the recommendations so that this section is not empty)
* Took into account individual comments from Leif, Peter and Silvana.
* Made some other minor edits and updates
I think that the document is in good shape and following our decision in the last meeting the document will be sent to RDA Council (via Ingrid). I will also plan to share it with the RDA Secretariat.
I would like to apologise that it was not possible to circulate it earlier. In case you have some immediate comments, please let me know. In any case, it is still a draft -work in progress document, and this is clearly labeled in the first page and also the Executive Summary.
I would like to thank you for all your contributions and reviews, and I believe this is a satisfactory result, of a first full draft.
Kind regards,
Fotis
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RDA secretariat-OAB liaison
ATHENA Research Center
Phone: +30 211 1206 431
Mobile: +30 6945 878784
Skype: fotis71
Twitter: fkarayan

[Peter Wittenburg]

Thanks a lot Fotis.
I am back from my US trip and will read asap.
best
peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 ***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
– Show quoted text -From: Fotis Karagiannis [mailto:***@***.***-innovation.gr]
Sent: Freitag, 17. November 2017 02:45
To: RDA Europe Task Force on Sustainability; RDA EU Board of Directors
Subject: [Rdaeu-bod] Next draft of the RDA EU TF paper on Sustainability
Dear all,
Following the feedback received during the previous two meetings (BoD and TF meeting), I have created a new version of the document. Attached you can find two versions:
* With tracked changes (wtc), so that you can follow easier the changes (and don’t have to read the full thing again)
* And a clean version
The main changes:
* Expanded the section on “RDA in Europe: National vs. European approaches” based on the recent discussions
* Added a full section on RDA Europe 4 project based on Timea’s presentation (which I also attach)
* Renamed the section “Sustainability elements” to “RDA Global sustainability challenges”
* Added a section on “RDA Value proposition” and exploitable assets (adding the key points raised, plus also a couple of new ones for your review)
* Added the SWOT analysis from RDA Europe 4.
* Slightly updated “the proposed directions headings and text” trying to link them better with the previous sections
* Slightly updated the recommendations sections
* And I also added Juan in the TF members (although Juan was not a member, we decided to invite him at some point – hope is ok, please let me know)
What’s missing:
* The FAIR Implementation Expert Group section and anything else you would like to add in the Landscape analysis (Leif, Peter, let me know if you can write a paragraph)
* We may need also a Conclusions and/or Exec Summary section (given that the document is now almost 30 pages ☹)
* The financial part of the business plan for the next 5 years (but we are missing info here I think)
* Further updates on recommendations (section not completed)
Please have a look and let me know your comments if possible by Wednesday 22, so that I can integrate all further comments by Thursday or Friday next week.
I know it still needs more work to be in good shape, but it may be good enough to share it as a draft with RDA Global and the EC to get the discussions going.
Looking forward to your comments and advice,
Thanks and kind regards
Fotis
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RDA secretariat-OAB liaison
ATHENA Research Center
Phone: +30 211 1206 431
Mobile: +30 6945 878784
Skype: fotis71
Twitter: fkarayan

[Peter Wittenburg]

Dear all,
sorry I forgot the attachment – here it is.
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 ***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
From: Wittenburg, Peter
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2017 14:21
To: 7th WG/IG Collaboration Meeting, Gothenburg University., June 12 – 14, 2017
Cc: Wolfgang Kuchinke (***@***.***-duesseldorf.de); Wittenburg, Peter
Subject: Chairs meeting Gothenburg and Blockchains
Dear colleagues,
at the Gothenburg meeting we had a very engaged and substantial contribution from Edwin about blockchain technology. Since BCT was an issue also in other discussion circuits I got together with a colleague from the health domain and we looked a bit deeper into the blockchain approach. It took us a bit more time than expected to finish the document, since much is published and not all what is published did make sense to us. In the current version you can see how the document grew and grew.
With this version we would like to ask for comments, since we do not see it yet as a finalised paper. Perhaps it can provoke some responses.
At least Wolfgang and I have now a much better feeling about BCT and its possible application than before.
So please your comments.
best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 ***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director

[Peter Wittenburg]

Dear Fotis, all,
since I could not get you, Fotis, to a skype call, let me make my points quickly.
wrt 2.2
We should add short descriptions about ITU, OAI, DONA which are busy working on some aspects. I could draft paragraphs.
wrt2.3
We should also mention the FAIR Implementation Expert group where a few of us are in. Leif or I can draft a short formulation.
We should not only refer to ELXIR when mentioning sci communities. This creates much sensitivity, since as you know some communities have been FAIR already some years ago, but they are not so loud as others perhaps. So I would like to see references to astronomy (IVOA or so), climate modelling (ENES) and CLARIN at least.
wrt 4
I believe that we should make assumptions about how funding of RDA may evolve from 2018 on and have a few scenarios. One is that industry jumps in substantiall and that EC, NSF will turn down their funding stepwise. We need to discuss such scenarios and show some simple graphs that go beyond 2020. Only if we set it ass goal to involve industry it will be done.
We need to state clearly what we can expect from national nodes. From a German only perspective I can clearly state that there will not be much money as contribution. And RDA DE will make a contract with RDA Global and not with RDA EU. We should be clear about this or indicate possibilities.
wrt 5
The recommendations will reflect of course on what is stated in 4.
best
peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 ***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
From: Rdaeu-bod [mailto:***@***.***-alliance.org] On Behalf Of Fotis Karagiannis
Sent: Dienstag, 26. September 2017 04:18
To: RDA Europe Task Force on Sustainability
Cc: RDA EU Board of Directors
Subject: Re: [Rdaeu-bod] Next version of RDA EU TF on sustainability report
Dear all,
Now that the RDA Plenary is over, it would be good if you can review the document and provide your comments. As I wrote below, it is still a draft and we need to agree on some possible scenarios for sustainability. I would appreciate if you can send your comments until the 5th of October.
Thanks in advance,
Kind regards,
Fotis
– Show quoted text -From: Fotis Karagiannis
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:13 AM
To: RDA Europe Task Force on Sustainability ; RDA EU Board of Directors
Subject: Next version of RDA EU TF on sustainability report
Hi all,
Please find attached the next version of the Task Force report trying to take into account as many as possible of your comments from the Munich meeting. I have also made a first (hasty) landscape analysis, but it needs more work.
It is yet a draft report -work in progress but it now includes some of your ideas. I didn’t have the time for proof-reading, but it is better to send it now.
Please have a look and let me know your comments.
It may be early to send it to the RDA Global; on the other hand it may be the case that the sooner we start the interactions the faster we will converge. Your views are appreciated on this also.
All the best,
Fotis
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Yes absolutely right – as discussed earlier: the IAB is of great importance.
So let’s see how to move on.
Peter
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From: FabrizioGagliardi=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Fabrizio.Gagliardi
Sent: Mittwoch, 30. August 2017 09:06
To: Leif.Laaksonen; RDA Europe Task Force on Sustainability
Cc: Wittenburg, Peter; Timea Biro; fkara2; Kathrin Beck; ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
:=)
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Sent: miércoles, 30 de agosto de 2017 8:59
To: Fabrizio Gagliardi ; RDA Europe Task Force on Sustainability
Cc: Peter Wittenburg
; Timea Biro ; fkara2 ; Kathrin Beck ; ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Fab,
I am sure we will find good usage for the IAB you have successfully established! I am as well looking forward to a good meeting in Garching.
/leif
On 30 Aug 2017, at 9.31, Fabrizio Gagliardi wrote:
I followed this thread with interest. In this context we should also decide what we want to do with the Industry Advisory Board moving forward. It was hard work but it starts to bear some fruits. Let’s see in Munich.
Fab
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Sent: miércoles, 30 de agosto de 2017 8:21
To: Peter Wittenburg
; RDA Europe Task Force on Sustainability
Cc: Timea Biro ; fkara2 ; Kathrin Beck
Subject: Re: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear Peter et al.,
Thank you very much for your thorough input! I think you are putting your finger on the thing I unsuccessfully tried to address earlier! I think quite many of us, if not all, have for the last years and RDA Europe 3 in particular worked for an RDA Europe, which should not be the project RDA Europe X. This is very important as we will see in the future RDA (country) Y efforts that will not fit or even agree to work under a RDA Europe X project. I will have to read the RDA Europe 4 proposal and Fotis’ document more carefully to see that it is not as Peter says “a question of wording”.
Peter’s comment C is also crucial but I don’t have a answer! Per and I had just yesterday a long discussion at the Urban Mill (https://urbanmill.org/english/), which works in the premisses of Aalto University Campus to promote the innovation part. As Peter said the actions and incentives in the academia is not ever going to promote the RDA into the industrial sectors. What we will try to work forward on is now the city community, which needs to work according to the economical principles but does not need to make profit! There is already a well establish landscape around the Smart Cities. It is all about data…
Looking forward to the meeting in Garching!
/leif
On 29 Aug 2017, at 18.47, Peter Wittenburg
wrote:
Thanks Timea.
I agree that RDA EU4 is very important for discussing sustainability. So I hope that you will bring in the essentials to the discussion.
Let me just make one comment where I see a slight difference in wording – perhaps not on purpose. Until now we always said during the last 4 years that the projects need to adapt to what happens in RDA in an agile way. You say that “the RDA EU Sustainability would need to be aligned with the RDA EU 4.0 project plan”. I would definitively not agree to such a formulation. Just remember the changes over time in young IETF – the community drove the projects and not vice versa. But as said – perhaps it is just wording.
Let me also tell you that I had an interaction with Fotis commenting on 4 points which need to be spelled out according to me:
• To me it is not clear how the relationship will be between RDA Global – RDA Europe and RDA National. In Germany next week we will have the foundation meeting of RDA DE and we are in discussion with RDA global about the requirements etc. What will be our relation to RDA EU. This is not clear to me yet.
• Chapter 2 should address in short words the following items:
a. While at the beginning of IETf and W3C simple messages were crucial (to be honest: after some years of debates). IETF is basically based on the conviction that packet switching is better than circuit switching, that one needs universal IP numbers and that one needs some basic protocols – that’s all. At the birth of W3C we had just HTTP and HTML – so simple. All other stuff in both cases were driven by the crowds. How about RDA? We may have hundreds of successful WG results and nevertheless RDA would fail, since people may adopt this and that, but it is not attributed to RDA. I am convinced that it is now time to come up with “Grand and simple messages that lead to action” to be sustainable. Whatever we do in PR and in governance, this all does not work if there are not simple messages that convince people to invest and change minds.
b. I am discussing a lot with industry currently, just convinced someone from Siemens top board today to participate in preparing P11. Industry is looking for reference architectures that could help them to develop components that have a long lifecycle. There are some reference architectures and I looked into them now. They are opposite to what RDA does – bottom-up and stepwise. This the comes back to the vision. Industry may look into various results, but if there is no coherent approach they will not invest. Soon we will have a first meeting where we will discuss what the relationship between “reference architectures” and “RDA testbeds” are and how they can be complementary.
c. My last point is exactly this: if RDA remains in the academic world it will not succeed, since scientists are trained to look for differences and how they can distinguish themselves from others. We will not come to convergence since there will always be one community claiming to have better ideas than the rest. Infrastructure building and consensus forming requires to take the opposite attitude. Therefore, I am convinced that the kick towards standards will come from industry. RDA has a great role since it is currently initiating what no one else has time for. But now we need to integrate across sectors to be sustainable.
In chapter 2 we should not perhaps express clear decisions about these aspects, but we should elaborate on them. They will determine sustainability in its heart.
So I hope on a very good discussion in Munich.
best
Peter
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Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 ***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
From: Timea Biro [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
Sent: Dienstag, 29. August 2017 17:04
To: Wittenburg, Peter; fkara2; ***@***.***-groups.org
Cc: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear Fotis, all,
Thank you for sending through the sustainability document and the update. The approval of the RDA EU 4.0 is fundamental for the Sustainability, and therefore we believe that the strategy document on the RDA EU Sustainability would need to be aligned with the RDA EU 4.0 project plan. The lines of actions we committed to follow over the next 27 months ( starting Feb 2018 for a duration of 27 months) are detailed in the proposal and all focused on setting up and validating a new governance model and ensure its sustainability beyond the EC funding. This timeframe responds to the short term 2 to 5 years and the proposal sets out to introduce a longer-term sustainability goal. A sustainability task 5.4 is part of the RDA EU 4.0 work plan and a complete objective 8 is dedicated to “develop a sustainable path for the RDA in Europe”.
Of course the discussion on sustainability is very complex but the new project proposal includes a planning that was well received by the EC and should be our guideline to make the most of this, possibly final, round of financial support from the EC.
The main principles of the envisaged RDA Europe 4.0 sustainability should be now introduced into the current working document when addressing medium-to-long term sustainability (i.e., after RDA Europe 4.0 completion). We are clearly open to further discuss this matter at the Munich meeting.
Many thanks & kind regards,
Timea
On 29/08/2017 07:48, Peter Wittenburg wrote:
Thanks Fotis.
Peter
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Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
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Subject: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear all,
Please find attached a first draft-skeleton of RDA Europe Task Force on sustainability. This is a very early draft and acts only as input for discussion at the next BoD meeting. I send it first to you for any quick reactions and then I will send it to the BoD with potential comments and proof reading integrated to include it in the agenda. Section 1.1-1.3 were taken from the agreed ToR, so the new text starts from section 1.4.
Kind regards,
Fotis
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Thanks a lot Leif.
Peter
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Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
From: Leif Laaksonen [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Mittwoch, 30. August 2017 08:10
To: Wittenburg, Peter
Cc: Timea Biro; fkara2; ***@***.***-groups.org; Kathrin Beck
Subject: Re: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear Peter et al.,
Thank you very much for your thorough input! I think you are putting your finger on the thing I unsuccessfully tried to address earlier! I think quite many of us, if not all, have for the last years and RDA Europe 3 in particular worked for an RDA Europe, which should not be the project RDA Europe X. This is very important as we will see in the future RDA (country) Y efforts that will not fit or even agree to work under a RDA Europe X project. I will have to read the RDA Europe 4 proposal and Fotis’ document more carefully to see that it is not as Peter says “a question of wording”.
Peter’s comment C is also crucial but I don’t have a answer! Per and I had just yesterday a long discussion at the Urban Mill (https://urbanmill.org/english/), which works in the premisses of Aalto University Campus to promote the innovation part. As Peter said the actions and incentives in the academia is not ever going to promote the RDA into the industrial sectors. What we will try to work forward on is now the city community, which needs to work according to the economical principles but does not need to make profit! There is already a well establish landscape around the Smart Cities. It is all about data…
Looking forward to the meeting in Garching!
/leif
On 29 Aug 2017, at 18.47, Peter Wittenburg
wrote:
Thanks Timea.
I agree that RDA EU4 is very important for discussing sustainability. So I hope that you will bring in the essentials to the discussion.
Let me just make one comment where I see a slight difference in wording – perhaps not on purpose. Until now we always said during the last 4 years that the projects need to adapt to what happens in RDA in an agile way. You say that “the RDA EU Sustainability would need to be aligned with the RDA EU 4.0 project plan”. I would definitively not agree to such a formulation. Just remember the changes over time in young IETF – the community drove the projects and not vice versa. But as said – perhaps it is just wording.
Let me also tell you that I had an interaction with Fotis commenting on 4 points which need to be spelled out according to me:
• To me it is not clear how the relationship will be between RDA Global – RDA Europe and RDA National. In Germany next week we will have the foundation meeting of RDA DE and we are in discussion with RDA global about the requirements etc. What will be our relation to RDA EU. This is not clear to me yet.
• Chapter 2 should address in short words the following items:
a. While at the beginning of IETf and W3C simple messages were crucial (to be honest: after some years of debates). IETF is basically based on the conviction that packet switching is better than circuit switching, that one needs universal IP numbers and that one needs some basic protocols – that’s all. At the birth of W3C we had just HTTP and HTML – so simple. All other stuff in both cases were driven by the crowds. How about RDA? We may have hundreds of successful WG results and nevertheless RDA would fail, since people may adopt this and that, but it is not attributed to RDA. I am convinced that it is now time to come up with “Grand and simple messages that lead to action” to be sustainable. Whatever we do in PR and in governance, this all does not work if there are not simple messages that convince people to invest and change minds.
b. I am discussing a lot with industry currently, just convinced someone from Siemens top board today to participate in preparing P11. Industry is looking for reference architectures that could help them to develop components that have a long lifecycle. There are some reference architectures and I looked into them now. They are opposite to what RDA does – bottom-up and stepwise. This the comes back to the vision. Industry may look into various results, but if there is no coherent approach they will not invest. Soon we will have a first meeting where we will discuss what the relationship between “reference architectures” and “RDA testbeds” are and how they can be complementary.
c. My last point is exactly this: if RDA remains in the academic world it will not succeed, since scientists are trained to look for differences and how they can distinguish themselves from others. We will not come to convergence since there will always be one community claiming to have better ideas than the rest. Infrastructure building and consensus forming requires to take the opposite attitude. Therefore, I am convinced that the kick towards standards will come from industry. RDA has a great role since it is currently initiating what no one else has time for. But now we need to integrate across sectors to be sustainable.
In chapter 2 we should not perhaps express clear decisions about these aspects, but we should elaborate on them. They will determine sustainability in its heart.
So I hope on a very good discussion in Munich.
best
Peter
—————————————————————————————————————————————————–
Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 ***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
From: Timea Biro [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
Sent: Dienstag, 29. August 2017 17:04
To: Wittenburg, Peter; fkara2; ***@***.***-groups.org
Cc: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear Fotis, all,
Thank you for sending through the sustainability document and the update. The approval of the RDA EU 4.0 is fundamental for the Sustainability, and therefore we believe that the strategy document on the RDA EU Sustainability would need to be aligned with the RDA EU 4.0 project plan. The lines of actions we committed to follow over the next 27 months ( starting Feb 2018 for a duration of 27 months) are detailed in the proposal and all focused on setting up and validating a new governance model and ensure its sustainability beyond the EC funding. This timeframe responds to the short term 2 to 5 years and the proposal sets out to introduce a longer-term sustainability goal. A sustainability task 5.4 is part of the RDA EU 4.0 work plan and a complete objective 8 is dedicated to “develop a sustainable path for the RDA in Europe”.
Of course the discussion on sustainability is very complex but the new project proposal includes a planning that was well received by the EC and should be our guideline to make the most of this, possibly final, round of financial support from the EC.
The main principles of the envisaged RDA Europe 4.0 sustainability should be now introduced into the current working document when addressing medium-to-long term sustainability (i.e., after RDA Europe 4.0 completion). We are clearly open to further discuss this matter at the Munich meeting.
Many thanks & kind regards,
Timea
On 29/08/2017 07:48, Peter Wittenburg wrote:
Thanks Fotis.
Peter
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Subject: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear all,
Please find attached a first draft-skeleton of RDA Europe Task Force on sustainability. This is a very early draft and acts only as input for discussion at the next BoD meeting. I send it first to you for any quick reactions and then I will send it to the BoD with potential comments and proof reading integrated to include it in the agenda. Section 1.1-1.3 were taken from the agreed ToR, so the new text starts from section 1.4.
Kind regards,
Fotis
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Thanks Timea.
I agree that RDA EU4 is very important for discussing sustainability. So I hope that you will bring in the essentials to the discussion.
Let me just make one comment where I see a slight difference in wording – perhaps not on purpose. Until now we always said during the last 4 years that the projects need to adapt to what happens in RDA in an agile way. You say that “the RDA EU Sustainability would need to be aligned with the RDA EU 4.0 project plan”. I would definitively not agree to such a formulation. Just remember the changes over time in young IETF – the community drove the projects and not vice versa. But as said – perhaps it is just wording.
Let me also tell you that I had an interaction with Fotis commenting on 4 points which need to be spelled out according to me:
· To me it is not clear how the relationship will be between RDA Global – RDA Europe and RDA National. In Germany next week we will have the foundation meeting of RDA DE and we are in discussion with RDA global about the requirements etc. What will be our relation to RDA EU. This is not clear to me yet.
· Chapter 2 should address in short words the following items:
a. While at the beginning of IETf and W3C simple messages were crucial (to be honest: after some years of debates). IETF is basically based on the conviction that packet switching is better than circuit switching, that one needs universal IP numbers and that one needs some basic protocols – that’s all. At the birth of W3C we had just HTTP and HTML – so simple. All other stuff in both cases were driven by the crowds. How about RDA? We may have hundreds of successful WG results and nevertheless RDA would fail, since people may adopt this and that, but it is not attributed to RDA. I am convinced that it is now time to come up with “Grand and simple messages that lead to action” to be sustainable. Whatever we do in PR and in governance, this all does not work if there are not simple messages that convince people to invest and change minds.
b. I am discussing a lot with industry currently, just convinced someone from Siemens top board today to participate in preparing P11. Industry is looking for reference architectures that could help them to develop components that have a long lifecycle. There are some reference architectures and I looked into them now. They are opposite to what RDA does – bottom-up and stepwise. This the comes back to the vision. Industry may look into various results, but if there is no coherent approach they will not invest. Soon we will have a first meeting where we will discuss what the relationship between “reference architectures” and “RDA testbeds” are and how they can be complementary.
c. My last point is exactly this: if RDA remains in the academic world it will not succeed, since scientists are trained to look for differences and how they can distinguish themselves from others. We will not come to convergence since there will always be one community claiming to have better ideas than the rest. Infrastructure building and consensus forming requires to take the opposite attitude. Therefore, I am convinced that the kick towards standards will come from industry. RDA has a great role since it is currently initiating what no one else has time for. But now we need to integrate across sectors to be sustainable.
In chapter 2 we should not perhaps express clear decisions about these aspects, but we should elaborate on them. They will determine sustainability in its heart.
So I hope on a very good discussion in Munich.
best
Peter
—————————————————————————————————————————————————–
Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 15141858784 ***@***.***; http://www.mpcdf.mpg.de/~pewi
Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
RDA Europe Director
From: Timea Biro [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
Sent: Dienstag, 29. August 2017 17:04
To: Wittenburg, Peter; fkara2; ***@***.***-groups.org
Cc: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear Fotis, all,
Thank you for sending through the sustainability document and the update. The approval of the RDA EU 4.0 is fundamental for the Sustainability, and therefore we believe that the strategy document on the RDA EU Sustainability would need to be aligned with the RDA EU 4.0 project plan. The lines of actions we committed to follow over the next 27 months ( starting Feb 2018 for a duration of 27 months) are detailed in the proposal and all focused on setting up and validating a new governance model and ensure its sustainability beyond the EC funding. This timeframe responds to the short term 2 to 5 years and the proposal sets out to introduce a longer-term sustainability goal. A sustainability task 5.4 is part of the RDA EU 4.0 work plan and a complete objective 8 is dedicated to “develop a sustainable path for the RDA in Europe”.
Of course the discussion on sustainability is very complex but the new project proposal includes a planning that was well received by the EC and should be our guideline to make the most of this, possibly final, round of financial support from the EC.
The main principles of the envisaged RDA Europe 4.0 sustainability should be now introduced into the current working document when addressing medium-to-long term sustainability (i.e., after RDA Europe 4.0 completion). We are clearly open to further discuss this matter at the Munich meeting.
Many thanks & kind regards,
Timea
On 29/08/2017 07:48, Peter Wittenburg wrote:
Thanks Fotis.
Peter
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To: ***@***.***-groups.org
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Subject: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear all,
Please find attached a first draft-skeleton of RDA Europe Task Force on sustainability. This is a very early draft and acts only as input for discussion at the next BoD meeting. I send it first to you for any quick reactions and then I will send it to the BoD with potential comments and proof reading integrated to include it in the agenda. Section 1.1-1.3 were taken from the agreed ToR, so the new text starts from section 1.4.
Kind regards,
Fotis
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Thanks Fotis.
Peter
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To: ***@***.***-groups.org
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Subject: [rdaeu-sustainability] Skeleton of RDA EU TF on sustainability
Dear all,
Please find attached a first draft-skeleton of RDA Europe Task Force on sustainability. This is a very early draft and acts only as input for discussion at the next BoD meeting. I send it first to you for any quick reactions and then I will send it to the BoD with potential comments and proof reading integrated to include it in the agenda. Section 1.1-1.3 were taken from the agreed ToR, so the new text starts from section 1.4.
Kind regards,
Fotis
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[Peter Wittenburg]

Please go aheead Andrew. All should be open.
Peter
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From: Andrew Treloar [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2017 18:05
To: Wittenburg, Peter
Cc: llannom; 7th WG/IG Collaboration Meeting, Gothenburg University., June 12 – 14, 2017
Subject: Re: [7th_wgig_chairs_mtg] [7th_wgig_chairs_mtg] a bit of self-reflection
Peter,
would you have any objection to my sharing this document with TAB? I mentioned it on the call just now when providing an update on the meeting last week.
Let me know.
Andrew.
On 28 May 2017 at 20:43, Peter Wittenburg
wrote:
Dear all,
The first session in Göteborg is called “From Göteborg to Göteborg” which led me to a bit of self-reflection after 4 years of hard work.
As said in the attached document, I think that we have done a great job – at least I am surprised about the results remembering the many questions at our first meetings such as in Copenhagen where we had even different acronyms such as DAITF and GWF, finding out, however, that we are talking about the same not well-described “beast”.
To stimulate thinking about this session I wrote a few points which kept me busy during the last weeks which in no ways should give the impression that I am unsatisfied with RDA – it is just about: how to go on in future? I am sure that others will not agree with my points and have probably completely different ones. I would be happy if others would also write down some points of concern and distribute them before the meeting. However, we should NOT start with the discussion about these points via email, but leave this to our session. I assume that some of the participants participate in council’s sub-committees and could report about their state and plans.
best
Peter
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Here is also a pointer to the summerschool: http://blogs.helsinki.fi/rdasummerschool/
Peter
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To: 7th WG/IG Collaboration Meeting, Gothenburg University., June 12 – 14, 2017
Subject: [7th_wgig_chairs_mtg] RDA as “publisher” of/display of DOIs in Recommendations & Outputs
Hi everyone,
I wanted to expand on my remark yesterday at our meeting that RDA recommendations and outputs (at least the “endorsed” ones) need DOIs to become easily and unambiguously citable by others in the scientific community, also making RDA as an organization more recognizable as – if you will – a publisher of those works, where the groups are the creators/authors. (As of now, there are apparently 30 RDA-assigned DOIs.)
1. I would argue that is a necessary but not sufficient step to assign DOIs to these outputs – the DOIs also need to be visible in the outputs themselves for others to reliably cite the works (by their DOIs).
For example, the “landing page” for 23 Things: Libraries for Research Data shows the DOIs for those documents in different languages, but those DOIs don’t appear in – for instance – the English version or the German version. Another example, the “landing page” for Scalable Dynamic Data Citation Methodology shows a DOI, but following it eventually leads to a document – incidentally, with a different title – Data Citation of Evolving Data that does not show that assigned DOI.
A solution might be for whoever assigns the DOI in the Secretariat (?) to put that on a consistent, template-based cover page that will be, perhaps in collaboration with the producing WG/IG’s chairs, prepended to the output, also of course showing the title of the output, “Research Data Alliance,” name of the output-producing IG/WG with a link back to its RDA webpage, perhaps the names of its co-chairs, publication date, etc. (That would address the point “Each document will get a DOI. Need a process to associate with the policy.” in the Document Publication Policy.)
2. RDA marketing efforts of the outputs should show the assigned DOIs; for example, the recommendation card for Scalable Dynamic Data Citation Methodology should show http://dx.doi.org/10.15497/RDA00016, perhaps in the area of the QR code.
Cheers,
Stefan
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