[Juan Bicarregui]

HI Mark,
My colleagues in the Photon and Neutron facilities (PaNSIG IG) are planning to submit a session proposal on “Sharing FAIR Data on COVID research at Photon and Neutron Facilities”.
I was in touch with Rob Hooft and we may join up with the ELIXIR Bridging force IG.
Best
Juan.
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Subject: [rdacovid19-coordination] RDA P17 submissions
Hi all, I know I am leaving this a little late in the process, but wanted to check with you all to see if anyone has, or is considering, submitting COVID-19 specific session proposals for P17?
I was planning to accommodate the COVID-19 WG itself in the context of the emerging Infectious disease Community of Practice, which will be submitted for RDA/broader community review shortly. I am also hoping that there will be a submission for the first meeting of the ID CoP, even though the CoP review process is still underway.
As a reminder, the deadline is this coming Tuesday, so please let me know via Reply in this thread if you are part if submissions, thanks!
Mark
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[Juan Bicarregui]

Dear Mark and all,
I agree with the suggestion – there is a large overlap between the aims of the two groups and so it is a good idea to merge them.
Best wishes,
Juan.
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The National Data Services Interest Group has been facilitating the discussion of data services in a national/regional context since Plenary 5. The most recent IG meeting was held at P12 in Gaborone, and the most recent output of the IG was a summary of selected National Data Services based on a survey. There was no submission for the IG for the previous plenary in Philadelphia, and there was no submission for the upcoming plenary in Helsinki.
Given recent efforts to create the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group (which emerged from the last couple of Plenaries from discussion of the GOSC BOF group), and the common interests and overlaps with the National Data Services IG, we are recommending that the NDS IG be put on hold, and current IG members direct their attention to the GOSC efforts. There is a strong likelihood that the GOSC discussion will lead to the creation of both an Interest Group, and an initial Working Group, so there will be ample opportunity for ongoing discussion of national/international data services, and their interoperability at the international scale. We will endeavour to share the initial descriptions of the GOSC group(s) as soon as possible, so NDS IG Members can get a better sense of the synergies.
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[Juan Bicarregui]

Thanks, Hilary, for the feedback.
I have no objection to the removal of the Regional Forum – it makes sense that this should not be a formal body. We can always call informal, ad-hoc meetings if required. It’s removal certainly makes things simpler.
“As simple as possible but no simpler” as they say.
Best regards,
Juan.
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Sent: 05 July 2019 17:40
To: RDA Regional Engagement Discussion Group
Cc: Bridget Walker
Subject: [regional_engagement] RDA Regional Engagement: Update on Framework and Governance
Dear Regional Engagement Task Force Members,
During the June 2019 Council meeting, the latest version of the RE Framework document was presented and the governance aspects outlined.
The latest version of the document is available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6pKy8e44n_CnhiV3ILlv445gzxE73nI9Crd…
Council appreciates very much your work to draft and define the latest version of the framework. There are a few minor edits that I have flagged in the online document. In reference to the governance model proposed, Council asks that the Regional Forum be removed as a “formal” body and we revise the document accordingly. Edits made in track mode on-line.
The rationale behind this request is that the regional model would start out with many layers of governance and complexity while the most important boards are the Assembly and the Advisory Board, covering regions with an MoU.
Aspiring region meetings and fora can be arranged on an ad-hoc basis, ensuring a lower overhead for both the secretariat and the Foundation.
So the next step would be to ask you to let me know if you have any objections to the proposed changes by close of business 19 July so that we can finalise the word version and update the public regional framework on the RDA Regions section of the web site – https://www.rd-alliance.org/groups/rda-regions
This would be timely for me also as I will be in Australia from 20 July for 3 weeks and I would like to have an updated version of the RE Framework document available.
Many thanks to you all and have a lovely weekend.
Hilary
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Do we have a meeting now – I’m on the gotomeeting that’s in the document. Is that the right place?
Thanks
Juan.
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Sent: 03 May 2019 20:19
To: sjDCC; RDA Regional Engagement Discussion Group
Cc: Natalia Alas
Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] RDA Regions meeting
Hi Sarah,
Can we get a meeting invitation for this with the webex link?
Best,
Leslie
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On May 2, 2019, at 7:36 AM, sjDCC wrote:
Hi all,
Daniel, Juan and I had a quick call today to progress the document further. The main edits were in the tables under the governance section, see: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6pKy8e44n_CnhiV3ILlv445gzxE73nI9Crd…
Next meeting will be same time next week – Thursday 9th at 7:30am EDT / 11:30am UTC / 12:30 BST / 1:30pm CEST / 8:30pm JST
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Yes, that’s what I understood. That’s why I asked about the case where a non-regional funder, ie one in the outer circle, also wants to make a financial contribution (ie to be in the inner circle).
Sarah’s note says this is not for now, we’ll cross that bridge when it comes.
Juan.
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Sent: 12 October 2018 13:40
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC)
Cc: Ingrid Dillo; ***@***.***-groups.org
Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] Re: [regional_engagement] Regional Engagement Meeting Reminder – 11 Oct 11UTC
Hi Juan,
I’ll step in on this one …
– Smallest circle – Regional Advisory Board – Regions that are already contributing.
– Middle circle – Regional Assembly – RAB plus Regions that are considering contributing.
– Outer circle – RAB plus any other funder that wishes to participate
Is that right?
The first 2 are, the 3rd one is a Funders Forum that also incorporates non “regional” funders like Sloan, Wellcome etc.
Does that make sense?
Hilary
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 14:34, Juan Bicarregui – UKRI STFC wrote:
OK – I’m glad there has been a decision and am happy with the way it went. The text I saw saying there were voting rights must have been old text.
Can I check my understanding of the structure then: there are three concentric circles of regional/funder representation.
– Smallest circle – Regional Advisory Board – Regions that are already contributing.
– Middle circle – Regional Assembly – RAB plus Regions that are considering contributing.
– Outer circle – RAB plus any other funder that wishes to participate.
Is that right?
What about a research funder that wants to contribute but does not represent a region (eg Wellcome, Sloan, Gates, etc….)?
Juan.
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From: Ingrid Dillo [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: 12 October 2018 12:45
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); RDA Regional Engagement Discussion Group
Cc: Hilary Hanahoe
Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] Re: [regional_engagement] Regional Engagement Meeting Reminder – 11 Oct 11UTC
Hi Juan,
Yes, we made a lot of progress over the last three meetings. With respect to voting rights of RA reps, we have decided not to do that. The idea now is to also change the role of the FF, to accommodate representatives from contributing funders. See meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gY9CGSeTfpeFDeSUhZGK6QwFmPZSn3pzJt_H…
Have a nice weekend!
Ingrid
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Dear all,
Apologies again for not making the meeting.
I’ve had a look through the doc and am very impressed by it’s thoroughness. Well done everyone.
There seems to be disagreement, however, about whether the RA reps should have voting rights on Council.
I guess this was probably discussed at the meeting(?)
Perhaps the best way forward is to highlight this as an open question and add a short discussion of pros and cons of each side? Then we can all add our views and, I hope, agree on the reasons for each side of the argument, rather than disagree on the conclusion!
Thesis, antithesis, synthesis,….
Juan.
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Sent: 11 October 2018 15:35
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Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] Regional Engagement Meeting Reminder – 11 Oct 11UTC
Thanks for a great meeting today…we are almost there with the Regional Engagement Framework.
Based on the discussion on the call, I have
Updated the outline for Appendix 1 – Template for Formal Partnership (page 14): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ix0atyLRQEbqKWtLBkqev3u4IqOuK9-ekMvV…
Revised the draft RDA-US Partnership agreement: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14YTg71fywNhILAZMMnrmIl3JHsWwgcLVlRBB…
Please let me know if you have any direct questions regarding this or simply add them to comments in the documents.
Cheers,
Leslie
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On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Hilary Hanahoe > wrote:
Dear Regional Engagement Task Force,
a gentle reminder that the Regional Engagement Task Force meeting is scheduled for 11 UTC on 11 October 2018
The go to meeting link is: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/889463285
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Items on the agenda for tomorrow are:
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Looking forward to speaking with you tomorrow
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OK – I’m glad there has been a decision and am happy with the way it went. The text I saw saying there were voting rights must have been old text.
Can I check my understanding of the structure then: there are three concentric circles of regional/funder representation.
– Smallest circle – Regional Advisory Board – Regions that are already contributing.
– Middle circle – Regional Assembly – RAB plus Regions that are considering contributing.
– Outer circle – RAB plus any other funder that wishes to participate.
Is that right?
What about a research funder that wants to contribute but does not represent a region (eg Wellcome, Sloan, Gates, etc….)?
Juan.
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From: Ingrid Dillo [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: 12 October 2018 12:45
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); RDA Regional Engagement Discussion Group
Cc: Hilary Hanahoe
Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] Re: [regional_engagement] Regional Engagement Meeting Reminder – 11 Oct 11UTC
Hi Juan,
Yes, we made a lot of progress over the last three meetings. With respect to voting rights of RA reps, we have decided not to do that. The idea now is to also change the role of the FF, to accommodate representatives from contributing funders. See meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gY9CGSeTfpeFDeSUhZGK6QwFmPZSn3pzJt_H…
Have a nice weekend!
Ingrid
On 12/10/2018, 13:41, “juan.bicarregui=***@***.***-groups.org on behalf of JuanBicarregui” wrote:
Dear all,
Apologies again for not making the meeting.
I’ve had a look through the doc and am very impressed by it’s thoroughness. Well done everyone.
There seems to be disagreement, however, about whether the RA reps should have voting rights on Council.
I guess this was probably discussed at the meeting(?)
Perhaps the best way forward is to highlight this as an open question and add a short discussion of pros and cons of each side? Then we can all add our views and, I hope, agree on the reasons for each side of the argument, rather than disagree on the conclusion!
Thesis, antithesis, synthesis,….
Juan.
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From: borrel2=***@***.***-groups.org on behalf of mcintold
Sent: 11 October 2018 15:35
To: RDA Regional Engagement Discussion Group
Cc: Hilary Hanahoe
Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] Regional Engagement Meeting Reminder – 11 Oct 11UTC
Thanks for a great meeting today…we are almost there with the Regional Engagement Framework.
Based on the discussion on the call, I have
Updated the outline for Appendix 1 – Template for Formal Partnership (page 14): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ix0atyLRQEbqKWtLBkqev3u4IqOuK9-ekMvV…
Revised the draft RDA-US Partnership agreement: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14YTg71fywNhILAZMMnrmIl3JHsWwgcLVlRBB…
Please let me know if you have any direct questions regarding this or simply add them to comments in the documents.
Cheers,
Leslie
Leslie McIntosh, PhD, MPH
Executive Director
Research Data Alliance – US
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Amos Eaton 210
110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180
+1 314.200.5838 (Google voice)
On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Hilary Hanahoe wrote:
Dear Regional Engagement Task Force,
a gentle reminder that the Regional Engagement Task Force meeting is scheduled for 11 UTC on 11 October 2018
The go to meeting link is: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/889463285
(Dial in details are at the bottom of the message).
Items on the agenda for tomorrow are:
Agenda Items
1. Regional Engagement Framework
* Governance
* Document
2. US Grant. – International Network of Networks
3. P13 (brief)
4. Botswana Meeting
5. Po! st Botswana
The meeting notes (in the google folder) are available at – https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gY9CGSeTfpeFDeSUhZGK6QwFmPZSn3pzJt_H…
Looking forward to speaking with you tomorrow
Hilary
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Dear All,
Sorry, I’m not going to be able to join you at 11 UTC tomorrow.
I may be able to join the meeting later, a little after 11:30, depending on whether my other meeting keeps to time (which I suspect it might not).
Have a good meeting,
Juan
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To: ***@***.***-groups.org; Lupo-Petta, Jamie
Subject: [regional_engagement] Regional Engagement Meeting Reminder – 11 Oct 11UTC
Dear Regional Engagement Task Force,
a gentle reminder that the Regional Engagement Task Force meeting is scheduled for 11 UTC on 11 October 2018
The go to meeting link is: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/889463285
(Dial in details are at the bottom of the message).
Items on the agenda for tomorrow are:
Agenda Items
1. Regional Engagement Framework
* Governance
* Document
1. US Grant. – International Network of Networks
2. P13 (brief)
3. Botswana Meeting
4. Post Botswana
The meeting notes (in the google folder) are available at – https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gY9CGSeTfpeFDeSUhZGK6QwFmPZSn3pzJt_H…
Looking forward to speaking with you tomorrow
Hilary
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I’ve revised the section on Financial Contributions in the Framework document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ix0atyLRQEbqKWtLBkqev3u4IqOuK9-ekMvV…
Comments welcome. (Have I gone into the right level of detail?)
Juan
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Sent: 27 September 2018 12:00
To: Hilary Hanahoe; ***@***.***-groups.org
Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] Regional Engagement Call – Thursday 27 Sept @ 11 UTC
Hi everyone,
I am trying to start up our call, but the system is asking me for a security code that I do not have and that is sent to secretariat. I have emailed secr and Hilary about this. If anyone else has the info to start up the GTM I would be very grateful. Until then I will keep on trying. So sorry about this..
Ingrid
From: Hilary Hanahoe
Date: Tuesday, 25 September 2018 at 17:31
To: “***@***.***-groups.org”
Cc: Ingrid Dillo
Subject: Regional Engagement Call – Thursday 27 Sept @ 11 UTC
Dear Regional Engagement Task Force Members,
A reminder of the Regional Engagement call on Thursday 27 Sept at 11 UTC. The go to meeting details for the meeting are listed below.
From my understanding of the thread, tomorrow’s call will discuss the financial indicators.
A reminder that the google folder for the task force is:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11ReQJBXCeLAJqIPJj0jkiJLnZtmlkTSC
I have updated the meeting notes file (in the folder) – direct link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gY9CGSeTfpeFDeSUhZGK6QwFmPZSn3pzJt_H…
so that you can share the note taking ….
My apologies but I am unable to attend the call this week. Ingrid will chair the meeting.
Many thanks
Hilary
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Dear Marks and non-Marks,
Leslie suggests that this should be the main item for discussion on Thursday, so we should have enough time to discuss it then. So no need to have a call beforehand, I don’t think.
Best
Juan.
From: Parsons, Mark [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: 19 September 2018 16:06
To: mleggott
Cc: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); RDA Regional Engagement Discussion Group; Jason Haga; Ingrid Dillo; Lupo-Petta, Jamie; Hilary Hanahoe
Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] [regional_engagement] – Financial indicators
I understand what’s happening now. Mark is Mark Leggot. Not me 🙂
cheers,
-m.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 08:19, mleggott wrote:
Looks good Juan,
I would be available this Friday, and the 26th, if you did want to chat beforehand. Just suggest a few times and I’ll see what fits.
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On Sep 18, 2018, 14:35 -0300, mcintold , wrote:
Hi Juan,
Thanks for drafting this. I would like to be part of the discussion but will be busy before the next call due to the RDA-US leadership meeting (among others). I also know Mark is out this week.
Could we have this as the main agenda item for the 27th?
Cheers,
Leslie
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On Sep 18, 2018, at 05:40, JuanBicarregui wrote:
Resending as it seems the list could not handle the picture. The same graph is on the first sheet of the attachment.
Juan.
From: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC)
Sent: 18 September 2018 10:34
To: ‘JuanBicarregui’; ‘Parsons, Mark’; ‘***@***.***‘
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Subject: RE: [regional_engagement] – Financial indicators
Jason and Mark, (and any others interested in looking at financial indicators.)
Shall we try and have a call before the next group meeting on the 27th?
The whole group meeting is at 11:00 UTC is that the best time?
At that time I’m free on Friday 21, Monday 24 or Wednesday 26.
I’m thinking that there are three types of function we could use for scaling the contribution:
1. A stepped flat distribution
2. A polyline linear distribution
3. A smoothed curve (using logs)
The chart below has examples of each:

Of course there are parameters can be varied to change the position of the lines!!
The attached spreadsheet allows this.
Personally I don’t like the stepped function although many organisations use this. It seems unfair to me: two contributors of quite different sizes can pay the same, and conversely, two quite similar contributors can pay very different amounts.
The polyline version solves this while still remaining simple mathematically. It is the sort of function used in income tax calculations (at least in the UK), but this version is regressive rather than progressive (ie the rate is lower for higher contributors). This can of course be changed.
The Smooth version is the most elegant mathematically, and probably the fairest. But I haven’t seen it used for this kind of thing before. It can be explained with words like “treble the GDP gives double the contribution” (or whatever parameters we choose).
On balance I think the polyline version is the best of these three. But there may be other possibilities. What do others think?
Then we just have to pick the parameters!!
Best regards,
(Let me know if we can/should have a meeting)
Juan.
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Sent: 14 September 2018 14:49
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Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] 13 Sept Meeting Notes and updates
Hilary,
Thanks for the notes – sorry I couldn’t join you.
Yes, I’d be happy to run a small group on the financial indicator.
I’ve noted the next meeting in my diary. Is the intention to have meetings each week at this time?
Best wishes,
Juan.
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Sent: 14 September 2018 14:17
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Subject: [regional_engagement] 13 Sept Meeting Notes and updates
Dear Regional Engagement Task Force,
I have created some short notes on yesterday’s call for your records and they are available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w0UD39cfVb6OCR5_xRz5jG-RpVUobzeU7MKo… which is located in the Google Folder.
Some updates / requests for you all:
1. Financial Indicators: Juan would you be willing to coordinate a mini group (Jason and Mark perhaps?) to come up with parameters based on GDP that we could use for the annual regional contribution? I merged all the data I have into the excel file in the folder, and from discussions on the last 2 calls, GDP appears to be the most reliable and recognised data source / reference. Please let me know if you could do this and Mark if you are willing to be involved? Jason already expressed willingness on the call yesterday.
2. Botswana Meeting: I have discussed with Ingrid (Council Co-chair & Council RE liaison) and we propose that the Botswana meeting be focused on presenting a pre-final version of the framework (which includes the governance and financial indicators) to a group of regional representatives so that they could provide feedback to this group for integration in the document and finalisation by the end of 2018.
3. Next Meeting: there will not be a meeting on Thursday 20th Sept, so please mark in your diaries the next call for 27th Sept at 11 UTC which Ingrid will chair (thank you Ingrid)
4. Timing: we should aim to finalise documents and frameworks for mid October in order to circulate the pre-final versions to meeting invitees at least 10 days in advance of the Botswana meeting. @Sarah @ Leslie @ Vivian Can you take forward coordinating the finalisation of the RDA Framework document?
Many thanks to you all for your support and contribution
Have a lovely weekend
Hilary
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Hilary,
Thanks for the notes – sorry I couldn’t join you.
Yes, I’d be happy to run a small group on the financial indicator.
I’ve noted the next meeting in my diary. Is the intention to have meetings each week at this time?
Best wishes,
Juan.
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Sent: 14 September 2018 14:17
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Subject: [regional_engagement] 13 Sept Meeting Notes and updates
Dear Regional Engagement Task Force,
I have created some short notes on yesterday’s call for your records and they are available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w0UD39cfVb6OCR5_xRz5jG-RpVUobzeU7MKo… which is located in the Google Folder.
Some updates / requests for you all:
1. Financial Indicators: Juan would you be willing to coordinate a mini group (Jason and Mark perhaps?) to come up with parameters based on GDP that we could use for the annual regional contribution? I merged all the data I have into the excel file in the folder, and from discussions on the last 2 calls, GDP appears to be the most reliable and recognised data source / reference. Please let me know if you could do this and Mark if you are willing to be involved? Jason already expressed willingness on the call yesterday.
2. Botswana Meeting: I have discussed with Ingrid (Council Co-chair & Council RE liaison) and we propose that the Botswana meeting be focused on presenting a pre-final version of the framework (which includes the governance and financial indicators) to a group of regional representatives so that they could provide feedback to this group for integration in the document and finalisation by the end of 2018.
3. Next Meeting: there will not be a meeting on Thursday 20th Sept, so please mark in your diaries the next call for 27th Sept at 11 UTC which Ingrid will chair (thank you Ingrid)
4. Timing: we should aim to finalise documents and frameworks for mid October in order to circulate the pre-final versions to meeting invitees at least 10 days in advance of the Botswana meeting. @Sarah @ Leslie @ Vivian Can you take forward coordinating the finalisation of the RDA Framework document?
Many thanks to you all for your support and contribution
Have a lovely weekend
Hilary
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Raphael,
Thanks for this – clear one key thing is to choose and indicator to base it on, GERD, GDP, etc.
Then we need a function that maps to the contribution.
Personally I would suggest a smooth curve rather than a stepped one. To avoid the having any contributors on a boundary, and also to provide a way to annually adjust the contribution in line with the indicator. Eg if GDP rises so does the contribution.
There are different ways we can define the curve. If we pick a few examples of what we would expect from economies of a certain sizes we can make a curve.
Below are a few curves I quickly made in excel from the data you gave in your example.
Best regards,
Juan.
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Subject: Re: [regional_engagement] RDA Regional Engagement Call – 30 Aug at 11 UTC
Hello again,
as a follow-up to todays meeting here an example for a financial contribution
scheme that’s in place at the International Neuroinformatics Coordinating
Facility (disclaimer: I’ve been working for this organization prior to joining Max Planck).
It is based on GERD but defines an explicit mapping of GERD ranges to contribution amounts.
Just so we know some more options …
Cheers,
Raphael
Quote from https://space.incf.org/index.php/s/NwzeU74IGl3sfWi#pdfviewer (page 3)
Basic Voluntary Financial Contributions according to the payment table are based on Gross
Domestic Expenditure on Research and Development (GERD). This table and associated voluntary contribution amounts
for participation are to be reviewed each year by the Governing Board and may be updated using appropriate figures
from consistent reliable global sources.
Annual payment table (United States Dollars)
GERD
> $80,000 million
$ 350,000
$30,000 – 80,000 million
$ 250,000
$20,000 – 30,000 million
$ 200,000
$ 7,000 – 20,000 million
$ 120,000
$ 2,500 – 7,000 million
$40,000
< $2,500 million
$10,000
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$30,000 – 80,000 million
$ 250,000
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$10,000
On 27.08.18 09:57, Hilary Hanahoe wrote:
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Certainly, very happy to accept this change!
Juan.
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Sent: 04 April 2018 15:42
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Subject: Re: [Rdaeu-bod] Final version of the sustainability report
Dear all,
I would like to fix an oversight from my side on the TF document (it’s never too late): Francoise has substantially contributed to this report by thoroughly reviewing the whole document twice, providing edits, comments and suggestions, despite not being a task force member! So, with Peter’s consent, I have included her name in the document and I hope all of you can accept Francoise to be added in the list of Task Force members even at this late stage.
I attach the amended version with only this change.
Kind regards,
Fotis
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Dear Fotis,
again many thanks to you and the team to have written this very good report.
We will add it to the set of reports we will present to the reviewers of course.
best
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Subject: [Rdaeu-bod] Final version of the sustainability report
Dear Francoise, dear all,
I really appreciate that you went once more through the document in detail and for providing corrections and comments. I have integrated all your comments. Attached is the final version.
After a short call today with Peter, it was decided to label the version as final, especially as an earlier version of the document was sent to the EC already in December and they had the time to comment. Their main point was whether we have been liaising with the Council and their relevant efforts, and this was clearly the case (through Ingrid and the Council members).
We also agreed with Peter that it would be good to prepare a public version of the document removing any sensitive information (e.g. the budgets), but we can do this later on. If you have any concrete points (what information should be removed besides budgets), please let me know.
I will be sending now this version to Pilar, on behalf of Peter, and will let you know if we receive any further feedback.
Once again thanks a lot for all your efforts!
Kind regards,
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Dear Fotis,
I was able to read the document only today. I attach a version with a few comments, typos, etc. No worries, only very few, but some are worth an update of the text I think.
Apologies for answering so late
Kind regards
Francoise
Le 23/02/2018 à 17:14, Fotis Karagiannis a écrit :
Dear all,
I have prepared the pre-final version of the report integrating all the comments received. You can find the document in two versions, with tracked changes and clean.
I have integrated the comments/inputs from:
1. Silvana, on the EC recommendation and on-going collaboration between the new EOSC projects (EOSC-Hub, OpenAIRE-Advance) and RDA to reuse the RDA platform
2. Natalie, on OECD Global Science Forum and ALLEA E-humanities WG
3. Hilary, reviewing the document as the new SG, also with an RDA Global eye
I also went through and updated the whole document as several points have become already outdated, e.g. dates, future actions became past actions, new projects now started like EOSC-Hub and OpenAIRE-Advance, second batch of ICT specifications approved and many more. I have updated the landscape analysis section with the above started projects and their collaboration with RDA, the GEDE output, etc.; updated the financial section with the recent calculations from the Finance Subcommittee, and also made some other minor/editing changes. After accepting all the changes in the clean version, there were some spelling or other errors revealed, so this version should be used as the latest one.
Let me know if you have any further comments. I would propose that the document is (officially) sent to the Commission at the end of next week. It may be better to label it as “prefinal version” allowing for the EC to come back with some comments before closing it, but if you feel otherwise (especially Peter depending on their expectations), please let me know (and we can label it “final”).
The last point to consider is whether we want to make part of the document public (e.g. by removing some sensitive parts, such as budget tables or other delicate points).
I would like to thank all the Task Force members and BoD members who have actively contributed to this document and I think that it is a good read!
All the best,
Fotis
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Sandra,
Looking back at the notes of last Council meeting I remembered that there was an action to finalise and publish the Standardisation and Education papers:
Regarding topic 2 on standardisation, it was agreed to:
· Change title to The role of RDA in Standardisation
· Note that RDA is not a standardisation body but it does recognize the importance of Standards. Where appropriate, RDA can work with standardisation body to streamline processes.
· Note that RDA has 3 distinct roles:
1. Proto-standardisation – Creating things that can become standards – Including identify where standards are needed?
2. Standard harmonisation – Bringing together standards – RDA provides a forum to enable that. This can be a driver of adoption.
3. Standards implementation and adoption – RDA can help with dissemination and adoption of standards.
Regarding topic 3 on Training and Education, it was agreed to:
· Change title to The role of RDA in education, training and the development of skills.
· Note that RDA is not a training organization, but can provide a forum for trainers and educators to discuss skills development and develop materials.
· Note that RDA does not do certification of training, but may able to develop standards for curricula or for certification of training and education.
· Note that Groups can provide training on their outputs.
Action:
· The lead authors for papers 2 and 3 will revise these papers taking account of the discussion above.
· The Strategy subcommittee will send the revised papers to Council and, if no objection within 2 weeks, publish them through the subcommittee web pages.
Attached is the one on Standardisation. I have edited the paper that went to Council to make an introductory text that could be put on the website along with the original paper.
See you soon!
Juan.
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Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 14 August 14:00 UTC
Dear all,
I am looking forward to talking with you today in our Strategy Subcommittee telco: Monday, 14th August 2017 at 14:00 UTC
Can you please drop me a short line to confirm if you can join the call or not – so far we have just apologies from Fran who is on holidays.
Here is the agenda for the call:
1. Summary of Strategy discussions at Council Meeting on 6-7th July (Sandra)
2. Update on status of papers (Francoise, Mark, Juan, Bernard)
3. Plan our contribution to the overall RDA Strategy (All)
– What topics should we address (growth, hierarchy, scaling, growth management, sustaining, interaction with wide community)
– Who will take on which topics
– Timeframe and process to develop topics
4. Next meeting.
I have attached the relevant excerpt from the Council minutes, and the full paper from our Subcommittee that was presented at the Council meeting.
Dial-in details are below thanks to Timea.
Thanks – talk to you in a few hours! Sandra.
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Subject: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 14 August 14:00 UTC
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Fran, I am sorry none of the options matched your schedule.
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On 17/07/2017 22:19, Sandra Collins wrote:
Dear friends,
We had a very good Council meeting in STFC on July 6-7th. I have attached the excerpt from the minutes of this meeting that relate to the work of our Subcommittee to date, and how we may contribute to the development of the new RDA Strategy.
I am heading on holidays tomorrow (and will be offline), and will progress this when I get back – what I would ask in the meantime is that you review the minutes and think about our next tasks.
Timea, could you please set-up a doodle poll to schedule the next telco for the group. I think it would be good if we could take the call in the week of 14th – 18th August, if the group is available?
Also, I’m delighted to welcome Mark to our Subcommittee – Mark will join the group in a personal capacity as he exits the Secretary General role. We will be lucky to benefit from his experience and unique view of the organisation.
Thanks all, Sandra.
From: scollins=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Collins
Sent: 16 June 2017 09:51
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Cc: Sandra Collins
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
Dear friends,
The RDA Council face-to-face meeting is in the first week of July and I will present a report from our group.
I’ve attached here the last versions I have of our 5 papers – 2 are final, 3 are draft (marked in the filename).
Can you please confirm the drafts are the latest version Francoise and Bernard, and are you happy for the draft to be brought to Council as an appendix to the report (and marked as draft)?
I will also note the other potential topics we would like to consider in the future (details in Hilary’s Notes form our last telco, also attached).
I hope to write the report over the weekend – so if you could confirm the attached drafts (or send newer drafts if you have newer drafts) this weekend, then they could be included for the Council report.
Thanks everyone, I will report back after the Council meeting and then we can set-up our next telco and plan our thinking for the rest of the year.
All best wishes, Sandra.
From: Hilary Hanahoe [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
Sent: 18 April 2017 16:47
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Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
Dear All,
Please find attached, pasted below and on-line (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…) the notes from today’s call. I tried to capture the discussion as much as possible, please send any eventual corrections – there could be many 🙂
For your convenience actions are summarised here below as well.
It has been a great pleasure and honour for me to have been the secretariat liaison on this subcommittee and I will certainly miss the group.
As agreed mark will let you know who the new liaison will be.
Many thanks
Hilary
ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
Training / Education paper:
ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
RDA Statements
Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
New topics to be covered:
Action: Sandra to add to summary: “Scale of RDA or Growth management & sustainability” as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
Other
ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version of startegic alliances document
Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 18th April 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe (Secretariat), Jean-Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
Apologies: Kay Raseroka
Agenda & Notes:
1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Mark
Both papers presented at council and due to lack of time no specific decision taken. Is blessing enough? Infrastructure paper was “blessed” but standardisation paper requires more discussion. There should be an overall agenda point on the subcommittees work and future directions.
ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
Revised version of education paper circulated by Francoise. Accommodates all comments received via the RfC and keeps the possibility that now things are structured / agreed in a certain way but leaves the door open for changes in direction in the future. Francoise would like committee members to agree on the content first and THEN agree on a structure.
Mark: does RDA have a position in training? 1. There are different kinds of training & education (both formal and informal) – perhaps we should clarify exactly what we refer to. 2. Clarify the exact message in the text: we are facilitators, correct? FG: yes we are facilitators but it is complex as there are training activities related to the groups so there are diverse activities and we should support them BUT RDA global is NOT a training body.
The examples can cause confusion or distract from the main message but on the other hand they exemplify. There are elements of activity that are strictly related to supporting outputs. Example, a group that is created to support an output or provide specific training is a group / organisation activity.
Maintaining a best practice requires something different than a volunteer work force – do we have the point of view or the work force to maintain this? No possibly not, it is not within the remit. The current version of the paper focuses on many of the complexities that indeed RDA faces and have been discussed.
The CODATA / RDA Summer School is a good example should have delivered a recommendation of a CURRICULA (as in the spirit of RDA) and this is still outstanding. In this way others can (re-)use these tools in other training … Developing a course that trains on a recommendation – OK. delivering that course is for the organisations in the group not RDA.
The revised version of the document could go for a revised / renewed RfC if necessary.
The 3 points provided by Mark (in violent agreement with this group discussions) summarise it well:
Mark points (as sent by email on /17th 18th Aperil) :
RDA recognizes that training is an important and ongoing component of successful data sharing, but training is a general term with a broad scope. RDA needs to be more clear on its role in data stewardship training and education.
Education through RDA currently comes in multiple ways:
– knowledge gained by practitioners by networking with their colleagues
– training on the use or implementation of RDA Recommendations and Supporting Outputs
– RDA groups doing training — summer schools, cloud computing, general ed
But the primary role of RDA is to provide the neutral forum to work out issues. We don’t want to go much beyond that. We are not a training organisation as such, but we provide a forum for the trainers to work out their issues. We develop curricula for others to teach.
Correspondingly, we are not a certification body. We provide an excellent forum to work out the certification criteria, but another organisation should do the actual certification.
There are also multiple training audiences notably, but not exclusively, data professionals and researchers producing or using data. RDA focusses more on the data professionals. We may develop materials for researchers, but we are not necessarily the instructors.
The general RDA approach is to support and facilitate skills development for data professionals by defining criteria and guidelines. We leave it to others to implement these criteria and to certify the results.
ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
Proposal is made on the fact that many people expect RDA to make specific statements on specific topics externally (rather than just internally). As an example, the PID is a technological statement and a strong one at that.
Mark: detected as a common theme across many working groups. There is no specific paper on that and it should come from the groups (groups of groups) and it must be community driven with a strong consensus behind it. Political advocacy could get us into trouble if we are not careful. The neutral forum is one of RDA’s biggest strengths and that does not mean there should not be strong statements but they MUST come from the community.
Juan: very important topic to discuss and council should consider it and answer is not easy. PID as an example, nothing written and IF there were perhaps that would show differences of opinion. Careful to create a mechanism that might appear as a short cut to making formal statements. Data Fabric example, should it not follow the normal mechanism /& procedure as with all recommendations & outputs. Finally, careful about making statements / endorsing statements on behalf of others.
Fran: technology neutrality is one of our guiding principles must be careful to remember those. Non-profit tied to scientific research struggle to not become political advocacy. Stay away from politics. Some aspects will require community discussion.
Mark: use existing systems to facilitate this rather than build new one(s). Data Fabric output explains some parts of the PID things – could be viewed as a controversial proposal but it will not be clear until it goes out for public comment.
Francoise: devil is in the detail. Sociological point: reward system is a good example and is recurring. The new domain IG (Koureas) being set up could help to
Sandra: difference between a statement and a solution from a RDA group.
Mark: Mechanisms allow for this and let the groups who have statements to make follow the process for this.
BoF at P9 https://www.rd-alliance.org/how-give-credit-scientists-their-involvement…
Decision: no formal statement on statements but Françoise to follow the use it as an experiment to see what can be done.
Are there any exceptions that would not go through the normal process? How would RDA deal with that? Mark example congress bill where RDA decided NOT to make a statement. If we did want to make a different decision what would the process be? Could RDA make a statement without going through the community process (RfC)? At the moment, we have no process for this. Low history of votes, split vote solution? Only quick solution could be that RDA Council makes a statement on behalf of RDA Council but NOT on behalf of the members as there is no quick turnaround with members in place. Should the members be consulted if they would be willing to “endorse”
Mark suggests that we keep an eye on groups that might produce statements that might fall under this category. Meanwhile, to answer Juan’s point, write a short statement when council might want to make a statement as RDA Council bearing in mind that council is the only body that can do that and that it is in exceptional cases.
Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
4. Ideas for new papers, including:
– What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
Engagement and communications subcommittee is also tackling that topic. So strategically it could be addressed by this one otherwise leave it to them to grapple with it for the moment.
Francoise is already liaising with Amy on this one so no further action on this one required.
– Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
Scale of RDA: do we imagine the size growth in terms of factors, what is the vision for the organisation in 5 years’ time and what structures are required to support it. Start from a blank slate on this.
Future directions call to be discussed between now & July and Mark’s summary paper on the status highlights this but Growth management & Sustainability are very important topics. Sustainability has a subcommittee focusing on it.
What does success look like at a greater level of scale than we are currently operating at? What is our goal? Where is the point on the horizon?
Action: Sandra to add as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
Strategy subcommittee could make a recommendation and make some analysis to back that up.
5. AOB, next meeting.
Next meeting will be scheduled AFTER the face to face Council meeting in July 2017.
NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
1. Strategic Alliances – ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version to all before the next call.
Note from Sandra for Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
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Sandra,
Looking back at the notes of last Council meeting I remembered that there was an action to finalise and publish the Standardisation and Education papers:
Regarding topic 2 on standardisation, it was agreed to:
· Change title to The role of RDA in Standardisation
· Note that RDA is not a standardisation body but it does recognize the importance of Standards. Where appropriate, RDA can work with standardisation body to streamline processes.
· Note that RDA has 3 distinct roles:
1. Proto-standardisation – Creating things that can become standards – Including identify where standards are needed?
2. Standard harmonisation – Bringing together standards – RDA provides a forum to enable that. This can be a driver of adoption.
3. Standards implementation and adoption – RDA can help with dissemination and adoption of standards.
Regarding topic 3 on Training and Education, it was agreed to:
· Change title to The role of RDA in education, training and the development of skills.
· Note that RDA is not a training organization, but can provide a forum for trainers and educators to discuss skills development and develop materials.
· Note that RDA does not do certification of training, but may able to develop standards for curricula or for certification of training and education.
· Note that Groups can provide training on their outputs.
Action:
· The lead authors for papers 2 and 3 will revise these papers taking account of the discussion above.
· The Strategy subcommittee will send the revised papers to Council and, if no objection within 2 weeks, publish them through the subcommittee web pages.
Attached is the one on Standardisation. I have edited the paper that went to Council to make an introductory text that could be put on the website along with the original paper.
See you soon!
Juan.
From: scollins=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Collins
Sent: 14 August 2017 10:17
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Cc: Sandra Collins
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 14 August 14:00 UTC
Dear all,
I am looking forward to talking with you today in our Strategy Subcommittee telco: Monday, 14th August 2017 at 14:00 UTC
Can you please drop me a short line to confirm if you can join the call or not – so far we have just apologies from Fran who is on holidays.
Here is the agenda for the call:
1. Summary of Strategy discussions at Council Meeting on 6-7th July (Sandra)
2. Update on status of papers (Francoise, Mark, Juan, Bernard)
3. Plan our contribution to the overall RDA Strategy (All)
– What topics should we address (growth, hierarchy, scaling, growth management, sustaining, interaction with wide community)
– Who will take on which topics
– Timeframe and process to develop topics
4. Next meeting.
I have attached the relevant excerpt from the Council minutes, and the full paper from our Subcommittee that was presented at the Council meeting.
Dial-in details are below thanks to Timea.
Thanks – talk to you in a few hours! Sandra.
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Subject: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 14 August 14:00 UTC
Dear all,
We thank you for the preferences expressed in the doodle.
Date and time suggested for the next call: Monday, 14th August 2017 at 14:00 UTC.
Fran, I am sorry none of the options matched your schedule.
Please find below the call in details:
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On 17/07/2017 22:19, Sandra Collins wrote:
Dear friends,
We had a very good Council meeting in STFC on July 6-7th. I have attached the excerpt from the minutes of this meeting that relate to the work of our Subcommittee to date, and how we may contribute to the development of the new RDA Strategy.
I am heading on holidays tomorrow (and will be offline), and will progress this when I get back – what I would ask in the meantime is that you review the minutes and think about our next tasks.
Timea, could you please set-up a doodle poll to schedule the next telco for the group. I think it would be good if we could take the call in the week of 14th – 18th August, if the group is available?
Also, I’m delighted to welcome Mark to our Subcommittee – Mark will join the group in a personal capacity as he exits the Secretary General role. We will be lucky to benefit from his experience and unique view of the organisation.
Thanks all, Sandra.
From: scollins=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Collins
Sent: 16 June 2017 09:51
To: ***@***.***-groups.org; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘JuanBicarregui’; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***‘
Cc: Sandra Collins
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
Dear friends,
The RDA Council face-to-face meeting is in the first week of July and I will present a report from our group.
I’ve attached here the last versions I have of our 5 papers – 2 are final, 3 are draft (marked in the filename).
Can you please confirm the drafts are the latest version Francoise and Bernard, and are you happy for the draft to be brought to Council as an appendix to the report (and marked as draft)?
I will also note the other potential topics we would like to consider in the future (details in Hilary’s Notes form our last telco, also attached).
I hope to write the report over the weekend – so if you could confirm the attached drafts (or send newer drafts if you have newer drafts) this weekend, then they could be included for the Council report.
Thanks everyone, I will report back after the Council meeting and then we can set-up our next telco and plan our thinking for the rest of the year.
All best wishes, Sandra.
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Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
Dear All,
Please find attached, pasted below and on-line (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…) the notes from today’s call. I tried to capture the discussion as much as possible, please send any eventual corrections – there could be many 🙂
For your convenience actions are summarised here below as well.
It has been a great pleasure and honour for me to have been the secretariat liaison on this subcommittee and I will certainly miss the group.
As agreed mark will let you know who the new liaison will be.
Many thanks
Hilary
ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
Training / Education paper:
ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
RDA Statements
Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
New topics to be covered:
Action: Sandra to add to summary: “Scale of RDA or Growth management & sustainability” as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
Other
ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version of startegic alliances document
Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 18th April 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe (Secretariat), Jean-Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
Apologies: Kay Raseroka
Agenda & Notes:
1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Mark
Both papers presented at council and due to lack of time no specific decision taken. Is blessing enough? Infrastructure paper was “blessed” but standardisation paper requires more discussion. There should be an overall agenda point on the subcommittees work and future directions.
ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
Revised version of education paper circulated by Francoise. Accommodates all comments received via the RfC and keeps the possibility that now things are structured / agreed in a certain way but leaves the door open for changes in direction in the future. Francoise would like committee members to agree on the content first and THEN agree on a structure.
Mark: does RDA have a position in training? 1. There are different kinds of training & education (both formal and informal) – perhaps we should clarify exactly what we refer to. 2. Clarify the exact message in the text: we are facilitators, correct? FG: yes we are facilitators but it is complex as there are training activities related to the groups so there are diverse activities and we should support them BUT RDA global is NOT a training body.
The examples can cause confusion or distract from the main message but on the other hand they exemplify. There are elements of activity that are strictly related to supporting outputs. Example, a group that is created to support an output or provide specific training is a group / organisation activity.
Maintaining a best practice requires something different than a volunteer work force – do we have the point of view or the work force to maintain this? No possibly not, it is not within the remit. The current version of the paper focuses on many of the complexities that indeed RDA faces and have been discussed.
The CODATA / RDA Summer School is a good example should have delivered a recommendation of a CURRICULA (as in the spirit of RDA) and this is still outstanding. In this way others can (re-)use these tools in other training … Developing a course that trains on a recommendation – OK. delivering that course is for the organisations in the group not RDA.
The revised version of the document could go for a revised / renewed RfC if necessary.
The 3 points provided by Mark (in violent agreement with this group discussions) summarise it well:
Mark points (as sent by email on /17th 18th Aperil) :
RDA recognizes that training is an important and ongoing component of successful data sharing, but training is a general term with a broad scope. RDA needs to be more clear on its role in data stewardship training and education.
Education through RDA currently comes in multiple ways:
– knowledge gained by practitioners by networking with their colleagues
– training on the use or implementation of RDA Recommendations and Supporting Outputs
– RDA groups doing training — summer schools, cloud computing, general ed
But the primary role of RDA is to provide the neutral forum to work out issues. We don’t want to go much beyond that. We are not a training organisation as such, but we provide a forum for the trainers to work out their issues. We develop curricula for others to teach.
Correspondingly, we are not a certification body. We provide an excellent forum to work out the certification criteria, but another organisation should do the actual certification.
There are also multiple training audiences notably, but not exclusively, data professionals and researchers producing or using data. RDA focusses more on the data professionals. We may develop materials for researchers, but we are not necessarily the instructors.
The general RDA approach is to support and facilitate skills development for data professionals by defining criteria and guidelines. We leave it to others to implement these criteria and to certify the results.
ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
Proposal is made on the fact that many people expect RDA to make specific statements on specific topics externally (rather than just internally). As an example, the PID is a technological statement and a strong one at that.
Mark: detected as a common theme across many working groups. There is no specific paper on that and it should come from the groups (groups of groups) and it must be community driven with a strong consensus behind it. Political advocacy could get us into trouble if we are not careful. The neutral forum is one of RDA’s biggest strengths and that does not mean there should not be strong statements but they MUST come from the community.
Juan: very important topic to discuss and council should consider it and answer is not easy. PID as an example, nothing written and IF there were perhaps that would show differences of opinion. Careful to create a mechanism that might appear as a short cut to making formal statements. Data Fabric example, should it not follow the normal mechanism /& procedure as with all recommendations & outputs. Finally, careful about making statements / endorsing statements on behalf of others.
Fran: technology neutrality is one of our guiding principles must be careful to remember those. Non-profit tied to scientific research struggle to not become political advocacy. Stay away from politics. Some aspects will require community discussion.
Mark: use existing systems to facilitate this rather than build new one(s). Data Fabric output explains some parts of the PID things – could be viewed as a controversial proposal but it will not be clear until it goes out for public comment.
Francoise: devil is in the detail. Sociological point: reward system is a good example and is recurring. The new domain IG (Koureas) being set up could help to
Sandra: difference between a statement and a solution from a RDA group.
Mark: Mechanisms allow for this and let the groups who have statements to make follow the process for this.
BoF at P9 https://www.rd-alliance.org/how-give-credit-scientists-their-involvement…
Decision: no formal statement on statements but Françoise to follow the use it as an experiment to see what can be done.
Are there any exceptions that would not go through the normal process? How would RDA deal with that? Mark example congress bill where RDA decided NOT to make a statement. If we did want to make a different decision what would the process be? Could RDA make a statement without going through the community process (RfC)? At the moment, we have no process for this. Low history of votes, split vote solution? Only quick solution could be that RDA Council makes a statement on behalf of RDA Council but NOT on behalf of the members as there is no quick turnaround with members in place. Should the members be consulted if they would be willing to “endorse”
Mark suggests that we keep an eye on groups that might produce statements that might fall under this category. Meanwhile, to answer Juan’s point, write a short statement when council might want to make a statement as RDA Council bearing in mind that council is the only body that can do that and that it is in exceptional cases.
Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
4. Ideas for new papers, including:
– What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
Engagement and communications subcommittee is also tackling that topic. So strategically it could be addressed by this one otherwise leave it to them to grapple with it for the moment.
Francoise is already liaising with Amy on this one so no further action on this one required.
– Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
Scale of RDA: do we imagine the size growth in terms of factors, what is the vision for the organisation in 5 years’ time and what structures are required to support it. Start from a blank slate on this.
Future directions call to be discussed between now & July and Mark’s summary paper on the status highlights this but Growth management & Sustainability are very important topics. Sustainability has a subcommittee focusing on it.
What does success look like at a greater level of scale than we are currently operating at? What is our goal? Where is the point on the horizon?
Action: Sandra to add as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
Strategy subcommittee could make a recommendation and make some analysis to back that up.
5. AOB, next meeting.
Next meeting will be scheduled AFTER the face to face Council meeting in July 2017.
NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
1. Strategic Alliances – ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version to all before the next call.
Note from Sandra for Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
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Dear RDA Strategists,
Attached is a draft paper for Council on Standardisation for your consideration and comment.
I’m not sure how much time Council will have to consider it. The agenda is really tight and this paper is just one part of our report which itself is just one of the Subcommittee reports.
So I have kept the main paper down to one page and put the download of the web post and comments as an annex.
I’ve not mentioned the BSI PAS matter, again in order to keep things simple.
Comments welcome.
Juan.
– Show quoted text -From: parsom3=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parsons
Sent: 10 March 2017 20:39
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); Council Strategy subcommittee
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA-Startegy – routes to standardisation
This is interesting, Juan. I was talking to the facilitator for the meeting later this month on defining our value proposition for industry. He asked if RDA would be willing to develop targeted WGs to address a particular industry need. I said it is conceivable, especially if they pay for it. This would be then similar to the PAS process, I reckon.
cheers,
-m.
On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:12, JuanBicarregui wrote:
Sending again in plain text as I got a strange bounce first time…
From: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC)
Sent: 10 March 2017 17:04
To: Council Strategy subcommittee
Subject: RDA-Startegy – routes to standardisation
Dear RDA Strategy Committee,
I just received the invitation below to a meeting organised by BSI who are considering developing a suite of standards on “Big Data”.
Of course, BSI is just one of many national standards bodies and RDA should probably not favour any one of these over any other. But the actual standards are relevant and perhaps even more interesting is what they say about routes to ISO stnds:
“PAS/BS/EN/ISO: PAS/BS initially given the complexity of the topic. With the aim of the document then becoming the basis of an ISO.”
PAS and EN are described here:
https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/our-services/developing-new-standards/Dev…
https://www.cencenelec.eu/standards/DefEN/Pages/default.aspx
We should think about these sorts of routes.
I’ll let you know what I learn on at the meeting on 27 April.
Juan.
From: Tim McGarr [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: 10 March 2017 11:14
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC)
Subject: Big Data workshop to build standards committee – 27th April in Chiswick, London
Juan,
You have received this because of your involvement around workshops I ran last year on Big Data standards. The output of this was a set of 5 validated scopes for standards (see attached)
At the time the outcome from the group was that the PAS route was most relevant and that the PASs should be developed in order of priority. To date we have not had a sponsor come forward, so I would like to propose an alternative route. Instead we would develop a new committee (with a name like Management of Big Data- MBD/1) and develop these as British Standards in parallel. In addition to this I want to discuss an idea on “Self Regulation on the use of Personal data in Commerce” (the attached CDC document provides further background).
This initial Big Data stakeholder meeting will take place from 10am-2pm on Thursday 27th April 2017 in our offices in Chiswick (389 Chiswick High Road, London, W4 4AL).
For each of the ideas we will discuss topics including what has changed since the original discussion and who is interested in getting involved in developing each respective standard.
Please reply back to me to confirm your attendance. When the new committee is formed we will need a new chairperson. If you are interested in this role please contact me.
Please feel free to forward on this email.
Thank you,
Tim
Tim McGarr MBA
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Dear RDA Strategists,
Attached is a draft paper for Council on Standardisation for your consideration and comment.
I’m not sure how much time Council will have to consider it. The agenda is really tight and this paper is just one part of our report which itself is just one of the Subcommittee reports.
So I have kept the main paper down to one page and put the download of the web post and comments as an annex.
I’ve not mentioned the BSI PAS matter, again in order to keep things simple.
Comments welcome.
Juan.
From: parsom3=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parsons
Sent: 10 March 2017 20:39
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); Council Strategy subcommittee
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA-Startegy – routes to standardisation
This is interesting, Juan. I was talking to the facilitator for the meeting later this month on defining our value proposition for industry. He asked if RDA would be willing to develop targeted WGs to address a particular industry need. I said it is conceivable, especially if they pay for it. This would be then similar to the PAS process, I reckon.
cheers,
-m.
On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:12, JuanBicarregui wrote:
Sending again in plain text as I got a strange bounce first time…
– Show quoted text -From: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC)
Sent: 10 March 2017 17:04
To: Council Strategy subcommittee
Subject: RDA-Startegy – routes to standardisation
Dear RDA Strategy Committee,
I just received the invitation below to a meeting organised by BSI who are considering developing a suite of standards on “Big Data”.
Of course, BSI is just one of many national standards bodies and RDA should probably not favour any one of these over any other. But the actual standards are relevant and perhaps even more interesting is what they say about routes to ISO stnds:
“PAS/BS/EN/ISO: PAS/BS initially given the complexity of the topic. With the aim of the document then becoming the basis of an ISO.”
PAS and EN are described here:
https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/our-services/developing-new-standards/Dev…
https://www.cencenelec.eu/standards/DefEN/Pages/default.aspx
We should think about these sorts of routes.
I’ll let you know what I learn on at the meeting on 27 April.
Juan.
From: Tim McGarr [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: 10 March 2017 11:14
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC)
Subject: Big Data workshop to build standards committee – 27th April in Chiswick, London
Juan,
You have received this because of your involvement around workshops I ran last year on Big Data standards. The output of this was a set of 5 validated scopes for standards (see attached)
At the time the outcome from the group was that the PAS route was most relevant and that the PASs should be developed in order of priority. To date we have not had a sponsor come forward, so I would like to propose an alternative route. Instead we would develop a new committee (with a name like Management of Big Data- MBD/1) and develop these as British Standards in parallel. In addition to this I want to discuss an idea on “Self Regulation on the use of Personal data in Commerce” (the attached CDC document provides further background).
This initial Big Data stakeholder meeting will take place from 10am-2pm on Thursday 27th April 2017 in our offices in Chiswick (389 Chiswick High Road, London, W4 4AL).
For each of the ideas we will discuss topics including what has changed since the original discussion and who is interested in getting involved in developing each respective standard.
Please reply back to me to confirm your attendance. When the new committee is formed we will need a new chairperson. If you are interested in this role please contact me.
Please feel free to forward on this email.
Thank you,
Tim
Tim McGarr MBA
Market Development Manager (Digital)
T: +44 20 8996 7221 | M: +44 7500 571923
***@***.***
BSI Group, 389 Chiswick High Road, London, W4 4AL, UK
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Dear RDA Strategists,
Attached is a draft paper for Council on Standardisation for your consideration and comment.
I’m not sure how much time Council will have to consider it. The agenda is really tight and this paper is just one part of our report which itself is just one of the Subcommittee reports.
So I have kept the main paper down to one page and put the download of the web post and comments as an annex.
I’ve not mentioned the BSI PAS matter, again in order to keep things simple.
Comments welcome.
Juan.
From: parsom3=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parsons
Sent: 10 March 2017 20:39
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); Council Strategy subcommittee
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA-Startegy – routes to standardisation
This is interesting, Juan. I was talking to the facilitator for the meeting later this month on defining our value proposition for industry. He asked if RDA would be willing to develop targeted WGs to address a particular industry need. I said it is conceivable, especially if they pay for it. This would be then similar to the PAS process, I reckon.
cheers,
-m.
On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:12, JuanBicarregui wrote:
Sending again in plain text as I got a strange bounce first time…
From: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC)
Sent: 10 March 2017 17:04
To: Council Strategy subcommittee
Subject: RDA-Startegy – routes to standardisation
Dear RDA Strategy Committee,
I just received the invitation below to a meeting organised by BSI who are considering developing a suite of standards on “Big Data”.
Of course, BSI is just one of many national standards bodies and RDA should probably not favour any one of these over any other. But the actual standards are relevant and perhaps even more interesting is what they say about routes to ISO stnds:
“PAS/BS/EN/ISO: PAS/BS initially given the complexity of the topic. With the aim of the document then becoming the basis of an ISO.”
PAS and EN are described here:
https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/our-services/developing-new-standards/Dev…
https://www.cencenelec.eu/standards/DefEN/Pages/default.aspx
We should think about these sorts of routes.
I’ll let you know what I learn on at the meeting on 27 April.
Juan.
– Show quoted text -From: Tim McGarr [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: 10 March 2017 11:14
To: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC)
Subject: Big Data workshop to build standards committee – 27th April in Chiswick, London
Juan,
You have received this because of your involvement around workshops I ran last year on Big Data standards. The output of this was a set of 5 validated scopes for standards (see attached)
At the time the outcome from the group was that the PAS route was most relevant and that the PASs should be developed in order of priority. To date we have not had a sponsor come forward, so I would like to propose an alternative route. Instead we would develop a new committee (with a name like Management of Big Data- MBD/1) and develop these as British Standards in parallel. In addition to this I want to discuss an idea on “Self Regulation on the use of Personal data in Commerce” (the attached CDC document provides further background).
This initial Big Data stakeholder meeting will take place from 10am-2pm on Thursday 27th April 2017 in our offices in Chiswick (389 Chiswick High Road, London, W4 4AL).
For each of the ideas we will discuss topics including what has changed since the original discussion and who is interested in getting involved in developing each respective standard.
Please reply back to me to confirm your attendance. When the new committee is formed we will need a new chairperson. If you are interested in this role please contact me.
Please feel free to forward on this email.
Thank you,
Tim
Tim McGarr MBA
Market Development Manager (Digital)
T: +44 20 8996 7221 | M: +44 7500 571923
***@***.***
BSI Group, 389 Chiswick High Road, London, W4 4AL, UK
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[Juan Bicarregui]

I just gave away the 27th April to something else. Although that should be finished before our meeting starts it means that I’ll be out of the office, probably in a café in London somewhere!
Actually the things I am going to on the 27th is relevant to our discussions on Standardisation and I was going to email this subctte about it. It’s a meeting organised by BSI (Bristish Standards) who are planning to develop a suite of standards on “Big Data”.
I’ll send an email after this so as to keep the two email chains separate.
Juan.
From: scollins=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Collins
Sent: 10 March 2017 16:24
To: jbminster; Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
Cc: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); Francoise Genova
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
Thanks all – I have filled it in too – we are nearly there and it looks like 18 or 19 or 27 April.
Have a good weekend! Sandra.
From: jbminster=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of jbminster
Sent: 10 March 2017 15:55
To: Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
Cc: Jean-Bernard Minster; JuanBicarregui; Francoise Genova
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
I will fill it after class, which starts imminently. Bernard
On Mar 10, 2017, at 05:15, Berman wrote:
Lonely no more! I filled it in too! ☺
Fran
Dr. Francine Berman
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Edward P. Hamilton Distinguished Professor of Computer Science
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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
We do what we can for European harmony.
Juan.
From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
Sent: 10 March 2017 12:29
To: ***@***.***-groups.org
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
Dear all,
I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
Cheers
Francoise
Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
Dear All,
many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…
2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
3. Pasted below f or convenience
Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
Hilary
Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
* What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
* How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
* A strategic & systematic approach? No
* Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
* Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
* Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
* ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
* Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
* Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
* ACTIONS:
* Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
* Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
* Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
* Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
* Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
* Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
* Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
* Wolski – supportive.
* Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
* Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
* Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
* ACTIONS:
* Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
* Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
* Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
* Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
* Notes from call: comments:
* Shiers comment to be incorporated
* Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
* Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
* Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
* RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
* Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
* ACTIONS:
* Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
* Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
* Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
5. Next topic for our group to consider.
ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point he re is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
Possible other topics for discussion:
* Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
* what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
6. Next call
Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
Who
Location
Timezone
UTC
Participant Start Time
Sandra
Dublin
IST
1
16:00
Juan
london
BST
1
16:00
Francoise
paris
CEST
2
17:00
Hilary
pisa
CEST
2
17:00
Bernard
San Diego
PDT
-7
08:00
Fran
new york
EDT
-4
11:00
Kay
gabarone
CAT
2
17:00
Mark
Boulder
MDT
-6
09:00
The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
Who
Location
Timezone
UTC
Participant Start Time
Sandra
Ireland
IST
1
15:00
Juan
UK
BST
1
15:00
Francoise
France
CET
2
16:00
Hilary
Italy
CET
2
16:00
Bernard
San Diego
PDT
-7
07:00
Fran
Troy
EDT
-4
10:00
Kay
Botswana
CAT
2
16:00
Mark
Boulder
MST
-6
08:00
On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
Dear all,
Education & training paper
I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
New topic
I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
Looking forward to talking to you later today
Francoise
As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
. Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
Dear All,
As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
5. Next topic for our group to consider.
In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
* Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
* RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
* Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
@bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
Kind regards
Hilary
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Attached files:
Building_infrastructure_through_strategies_of_interconnection_wiith_comments_30Jan2017.docx
RDA_as_a_training_education_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
Initial_thoughts_and_recommendations_on_RDA_as_a_Standardisation_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
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I just gave away the 27th April to something else. Although that should be finished before our meeting starts it means that I’ll be out of the office, probably in a café in London somewhere!
Actually the things I am going to on the 27th is relevant to our discussions on Standardisation and I was going to email this subctte about it. It’s a meeting organised by BSI (Bristish Standards) who are planning to develop a suite of standards on “Big Data”.
I’ll send an email after this so as to keep the two email chains separate.
Juan.
From: scollins=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Collins
Sent: 10 March 2017 16:24
To: jbminster; Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
Cc: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); Francoise Genova
Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
Thanks all – I have filled it in too – we are nearly there and it looks like 18 or 19 or 27 April.
Have a good weekend! Sandra.
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Sent: 10 March 2017 15:55
To: Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
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Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
I will fill it after class, which starts imminently. Bernard
On Mar 10, 2017, at 05:15, Berman wrote:
Lonely no more! I filled it in too! ☺
Fran
Dr. Francine Berman
Chair, Research Data Alliance / US
Edward P. Hamilton Distinguished Professor of Computer Science
Director, Center for a Digital Society
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~bermaf/
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Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
We do what we can for European harmony.
Juan.
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Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
Dear all,
I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
Cheers
Francoise
Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
Dear All,
many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…
2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
3. Pasted below f or convenience
Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
Hilary
Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
* What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
* How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
* A strategic & systematic approach? No
* Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
* Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
* Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
* ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
* Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
* Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
* ACTIONS:
* Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
* Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
* Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
* Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
* Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
* Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
* Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
* Wolski – supportive.
* Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
* Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
* Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
* ACTIONS:
* Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
* Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
* Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
* Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
* Notes from call: comments:
* Shiers comment to be incorporated
* Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
* Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
* Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
* RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
* Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
* ACTIONS:
* Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
* Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
* Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
5. Next topic for our group to consider.
ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point he re is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
Possible other topics for discussion:
* Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
* what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
6. Next call
Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
Who
Location
Timezone
UTC
Participant Start Time
Sandra
Dublin
IST
1
16:00
Juan
london
BST
1
16:00
Francoise
paris
CEST
2
17:00
Hilary
pisa
CEST
2
17:00
Bernard
San Diego
PDT
-7
08:00
Fran
new york
EDT
-4
11:00
Kay
gabarone
CAT
2
17:00
Mark
Boulder
MDT
-6
09:00
The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
Who
Location
Timezone
UTC
Participant Start Time
Sandra
Ireland
IST
1
15:00
Juan
UK
BST
1
15:00
Francoise
France
CET
2
16:00
Hilary
Italy
CET
2
16:00
Bernard
San Diego
PDT
-7
07:00
Fran
Troy
EDT
-4
10:00
Kay
Botswana
CAT
2
16:00
Mark
Boulder
MST
-6
08:00
On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
Dear all,
Education & training paper
I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
New topic
I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
Looking forward to talking to you later today
Francoise
As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
. Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
Dear All,
As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
5. Next topic for our group to consider.
In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
* Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
* RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
* Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
@bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
Kind regards
Hilary
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Building_infrastructure_through_strategies_of_interconnection_wiith_comments_30Jan2017.docx
RDA_as_a_training_education_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
Initial_thoughts_and_recommendations_on_RDA_as_a_Standardisation_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
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