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RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC

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  • #132031

    > I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Yes: This is the version I have. I have not “accepted” the suggested changes. I have been teaching two large classes on topics I am not familiar with and have not had any time for anything else. Bernard
    > On Mar 2, 2017, at 04:35, Hilary Hanahoe wrote:
    >
    > Dear All,
    >
    > As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    > The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    > Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    > Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    > Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    > Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    > Next topic for our group to consider.
    > In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    > 2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    > Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    > RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    > Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    > I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    > @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    >
    > Kind regards
    > Hilary
    >
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    > RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6th March 15:00 UTC
    > Mon, Mar 6, 2017 4:00 PM – 5:30 PM CET
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    > Sandra Ireland IST 0 15:00
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    > Francoise France CET 1 16:00
    > Hilary Italy CET 1 16:00
    > Bernard San Diego PDT -8 07:00
    > Fran Troy EDT -5 10:00
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    > Attached files:
    > Building_infrastructure_through_strategies_of_interconnection_wiith_comments_30Jan2017.docx
    > RDA_as_a_training_education_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
    > Initial_thoughts_and_recommendations_on_RDA_as_a_Standardisation_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
    > I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Yes: This is the version I have. I have not “accepted” the suggested changes. I have been teaching two large classes on topics I am not familiar with and have not had any time for anything else. Bernard

  • #132030

    Dear All,
    I apologise, I am unavailable for this meeting.
    Best wishes for your discussions.I look forward to the notes from the meeting.
    Kay
    Sent from my iPad

  • #132028

    Dear all,
    _Education & training paper_
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’
    paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee
    papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as
    the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no
    relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that
    document.
    _New topic_
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express
    ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a
    message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at
    P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Dear all,
    _Education & training paper_
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’
    paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee
    papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as
    the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no
    relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that
    document.
    _New topic_
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express
    ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a
    message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at
    P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    > As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the
    > key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make
    > statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors
    > for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us
    > advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the
    > criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG
    > EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this
    > appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science
    > Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need
    > for standards!
    >
    > The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In
    > this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of
    > work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects
    > of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce
    > recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I
    > wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the
    > RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with
    > science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The
    > implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we
    > could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very
    > critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in
    > our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide
    > to show up on these kinds of topics.
    >
    > TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG
    > gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines
    > which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a
    > specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these
    > things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly
    > oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and
    > technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.

  • #132019

    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions
    are:
    1) Available on our wiki page at
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    [1]
    2) Attached in word version here (also
    available from wiki) and
    3) Pasted below for convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle
    for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to
    check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9 [2]
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    *Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017
    (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)*
    *Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra
    Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster,
    Mark Parsons.*
    Agenda & Notes *(
    LINK
    TO WORD VERSION
    )*
    *1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc*
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion
    paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to
    achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what
    has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data
    activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with
    a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA
    is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data
    issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things.
    Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be
    strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going
    forward? So a set of questions should be included in the
    document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * *ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS:
    Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper
    with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of
    groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the
    strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.*
    *2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to
    Council*
    */Building infrastructure through strategies of
    interconnection –
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes
    [3]
    – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times –
    word
    version
    /*
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a
    position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by
    membership.
    * *ACTIONS: *
    1) *Bernard to take
    findings to council for information (informing them of
    the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that
    has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more
    prominent & permanent place where it gets
    visibility.*
    2) *Where does it go? Must
    be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports &
    Publications and link it from About RDA.*
    3) *Change order of names
    to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise*
    *3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments
    and what next*
    */Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a
    Standardisation body –
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes
    [4]
    – 7 comments & 1172 reads –
    word
    version
    /*
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction /
    modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no
    modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a
    standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure
    information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the
    discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather
    than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one
    going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that
    should provide some insights ..
    * *ACTIONS: *
    1) *Juan to update the
    paper and address the comments / questions and clarify
    the recommendations and send to subcommittee*
    2) *Subcommittee will
    respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s
    discussion*
    3) *Final agreed document
    will be sent to council as a recommendation*
    4) *Eventual comments and
    responses from Council will be captured in a new
    document (to be published in the same way as the
    interconnections position paper, etc.) *
    *4. Education paper: how to address the comments and
    what next*
    */RDA as a training/education body? A certification
    body? Is there a mission/future here? –
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes
    [5]
    – 4 comments & 1915 reads –
    word
    version
    /*
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups
    / members should be the initiators of eventual educational /
    training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide
    information on what scientists need to know in their own working
    / local environment => creation of an Interest Group
    (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate.
    Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will
    re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain
    recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that
    RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * *ACTIONS: *
    1) *Francoise to address
    comments (that can be addressed) and make
    clarifications
    that arose through comments – and a revised version
    will
    be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual
    feedback.*
    2) *Sustaining training
    question should be posed directly to council in the
    paper to be delivered for their consideration.*
    3) *Francoise will discuss
    directly the “open” questions with Kevin and
    clarify the
    open issues based on a revised version of the paper.*
    *5. Next topic for our group to consider.*
    *ACTIONS: Francoise to
    draft a short position statement paper for consideration by
    the group for the next call.*
    /Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the
    possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological
    aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on
    December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form
    the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG./
    /As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics,
    e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it
    might also make statements on more sociological aspects which
    are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I
    guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front
    of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and
    promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words
    on the question in its report, but this appears all the time.
    For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point
    appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data
    sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One
    possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are
    interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or
    an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in
    the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could
    gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on
    the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the
    scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as
    we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be
    good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is
    dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA
    now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up
    on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build
    an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of
    disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the
    need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place
    to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group
    would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison
    between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss
    aspects of/ the Ambassador endeavour.
    */Possible other topics for discussion: /*
    * */Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting/*
    * */what does it mean for RDA to interact with
    scientists & researchers?/*
    *6. Next call*
    *Action Hilary: Open a
    doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9 [6]
    *
    *Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time
    would be 15:00 UTC which will be:*
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
    1
    16:00
    Francoise
    paris
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Hilary
    pisa
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    08:00
    Fran
    new york
    EDT
    -4
    11:00
    Kay
    gabarone
    CAT
    2
    17:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MDT
    -6
    09:00
    *The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of
    14:00 UTC*
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    [1] https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    [2] http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    [3] https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes
    [4] https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes
    [5] https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes
    [6] http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    [7] https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes
    [8] https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes
    [9] https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/899181101
    [10] mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com
    [11] http://www.trust-itservices.com
    [12] https://rd-alliance.org/plenary-meetings/rda-ninth-plenary-meeting.html
    [13] https://www.rd-alliance.org/plenaries/rda-tenth-plenary-meeting-montreal
    [14] https://www.rd-alliance.org/sites/default/files/Building_infrastructure_
    [15] https://www.rd-alliance.org/sites/default/files/RDA_as_a_training_educat
    [16] https://www.rd-alliance.org/sites/default/files/Initial_thoughts_and_rec
    [17] https://www.rd-alliance.org/sites/default/files/Strategic_alliances_JBM_
    [18] https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/post/rda
    [19] https://www.rd-alliance.org/mailinglist
    [20] https://www.rd-alliance.org/mailinglist/unsubscribe/55452
    [21] https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/post/rda
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  • #132016

    Dear all,
    I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
    Cheers
    Francoise

  • #132015

    Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
    I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
    We do what we can for European harmony.
    Juan.
    – Show quoted text -From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 10 March 2017 12:29
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Dear all,
    I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
    Cheers
    Francoise
    Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
    1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
    3. Pasted below for convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
    * Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
    * Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
    * ACTIONS:
    * Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
    * Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
    * Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
    * Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
    * Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
    * Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    Possible other topics for discussion:
    * Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
    * what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    6. Next call
    Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
    1
    16:00
    Francoise
    paris
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Hilary
    pisa
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    08:00
    Fran
    new york
    EDT
    -4
    11:00
    Kay
    gabarone
    CAT
    2
    17:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MDT
    -6
    09:00
    The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
    On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear all,
    Education & training paper
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
    New topic
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    . Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    * Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    * RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    * Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Kind regards
    Hilary
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    RDA Plenary 10 – 19-21 September 2017, Montréal, Canada – https://www.rd-alliance.org/plenaries/rda-tenth-plenary-meeting-montreal
    Attached files:
    Building_infrastructure_through_strategies_of_interconnection_wiith_comments_30Jan2017.docx
    RDA_as_a_training_education_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
    Initial_thoughts_and_recommendations_on_RDA_as_a_Standardisation_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
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    Lonely no more! I filled it in too! ☺
    Fran
    Dr. Francine Berman
    Chair, Research Data Alliance / US
    Edward P. Hamilton Distinguished Professor of Computer Science
    Director, Center for a Digital Society
    Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
    http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~bermaf/
    – Show quoted text -From: juan.bicarregui=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of JuanBicarregui
    Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:09 AM
    To: ***@***.***; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
    I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
    We do what we can for European harmony.
    Juan.
    From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 10 March 2017 12:29
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Dear all,
    I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
    Cheers
    Francoise
    Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
    1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
    3. Pasted below for convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
    * Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
    * Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
    * ACTIONS:
    * Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
    * Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
    * Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
    * Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
    * Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
    * Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    Possible other topics for discussion:
    * Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
    * what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    6. Next call
    Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
    1
    16:00
    Francoise
    paris
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Hilary
    pisa
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    08:00
    Fran
    new york
    EDT
    -4
    11:00
    Kay
    gabarone
    CAT
    2
    17:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MDT
    -6
    09:00
    The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
    On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear all,
    Education & training paper
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
    New topic
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    . Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    * Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    * RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    * Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Kind regards
    Hilary
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    Building_infrastructure_through_strategies_of_interconnection_wiith_comments_30Jan2017.docx
    RDA_as_a_training_education_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
    Initial_thoughts_and_recommendations_on_RDA_as_a_Standardisation_body_with_comments_30Jan2017.docx
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    Lonely no more! I filled it in too! ☺
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    Dr. Francine Berman
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    From: juan.bicarregui=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of JuanBicarregui
    Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:09 AM
    To: ***@***.***; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
    I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
    We do what we can for European harmony.
    Juan.
    – Show quoted text -From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 10 March 2017 12:29
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Dear all,
    I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
    Cheers
    Francoise
    Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
    1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
    3. Pasted below for convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
    * Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
    * Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
    * ACTIONS:
    * Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
    * Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
    * Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
    * Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
    * Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
    * Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    Possible other topics for discussion:
    * Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
    * what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    6. Next call
    Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
    1
    16:00
    Francoise
    paris
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Hilary
    pisa
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    08:00
    Fran
    new york
    EDT
    -4
    11:00
    Kay
    gabarone
    CAT
    2
    17:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MDT
    -6
    09:00
    The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
    On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear all,
    Education & training paper
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
    New topic
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    . Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    * Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    * RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    * Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Kind regards
    Hilary
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  • #132013

    I will fill it after class, which starts imminently. Bernard

  • #132012

    Thanks all – I have filled it in too – we are nearly there and it looks like 18 or 19 or 27 April.
    Have a good weekend! Sandra.
    From: jbminster=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of jbminster
    Sent: 10 March 2017 15:55
    To: Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
    Cc: Jean-Bernard Minster; JuanBicarregui; Francoise Genova
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    I will fill it after class, which starts imminently. Bernard
    On Mar 10, 2017, at 05:15, Berman wrote:
    Lonely no more! I filled it in too! ☺
    Fran
    Dr. Francine Berman
    Chair, Research Data Alliance / US
    Edward P. Hamilton Distinguished Professor of Computer Science
    Director, Center for a Digital Society
    Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
    http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~bermaf/
    – Show quoted text -From: juan.bicarregui=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of JuanBicarregui
    Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:09 AM
    To: ***@***.***; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
    I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
    We do what we can for European harmony.
    Juan.
    From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 10 March 2017 12:29
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Dear all,
    I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
    Cheers
    Francoise
    Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
    1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
    3. Pasted below f or convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
    * Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
    * Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
    * ACTIONS:
    * Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
    * Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
    * Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
    * Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
    * Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
    * Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point he re is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    Possible other topics for discussion:
    * Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
    * what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    6. Next call
    Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
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    The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
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    16:00
    Hilary
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    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
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    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
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    -6
    08:00
    On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear all,
    Education & training paper
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
    New topic
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    . Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    * Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    * RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    * Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Kind regards
    Hilary
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    Thanks all – I have filled it in too – we are nearly there and it looks like 18 or 19 or 27 April.
    Have a good weekend! Sandra.
    From: jbminster=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of jbminster
    Sent: 10 March 2017 15:55
    To: Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
    Cc: Jean-Bernard Minster; JuanBicarregui; Francoise Genova
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    I will fill it after class, which starts imminently. Bernard
    On Mar 10, 2017, at 05:15, Berman wrote:
    Lonely no more! I filled it in too! ☺
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    Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
    I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
    We do what we can for European harmony.
    Juan.
    – Show quoted text -From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 10 March 2017 12:29
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    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Dear all,
    I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
    Cheers
    Francoise
    Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
    1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
    3. Pasted below f or convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
    * Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
    * Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
    * ACTIONS:
    * Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
    * Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
    * Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
    * Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
    * Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
    * Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point he re is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    Possible other topics for discussion:
    * Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
    * what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    6. Next call
    Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
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    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
    1
    16:00
    Francoise
    paris
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Hilary
    pisa
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    08:00
    Fran
    new york
    EDT
    -4
    11:00
    Kay
    gabarone
    CAT
    2
    17:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MDT
    -6
    09:00
    The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
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    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
    On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear all,
    Education & training paper
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
    New topic
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    . Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    * Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    * RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    * Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Kind regards
    Hilary
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    I just gave away the 27th April to something else. Although that should be finished before our meeting starts it means that I’ll be out of the office, probably in a café in London somewhere!
    Actually the things I am going to on the 27th is relevant to our discussions on Standardisation and I was going to email this subctte about it. It’s a meeting organised by BSI (Bristish Standards) who are planning to develop a suite of standards on “Big Data”.
    I’ll send an email after this so as to keep the two email chains separate.
    Juan.
    From: scollins=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Collins
    Sent: 10 March 2017 16:24
    To: jbminster; Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
    Cc: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); Francoise Genova
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Thanks all – I have filled it in too – we are nearly there and it looks like 18 or 19 or 27 April.
    Have a good weekend! Sandra.
    From: jbminster=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of jbminster
    Sent: 10 March 2017 15:55
    To: Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
    Cc: Jean-Bernard Minster; JuanBicarregui; Francoise Genova
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    I will fill it after class, which starts imminently. Bernard
    On Mar 10, 2017, at 05:15, Berman wrote:
    Lonely no more! I filled it in too! ☺
    Fran
    Dr. Francine Berman
    Chair, Research Data Alliance / US
    Edward P. Hamilton Distinguished Professor of Computer Science
    Director, Center for a Digital Society
    Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
    http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~bermaf/
    – Show quoted text -From: juan.bicarregui=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of JuanBicarregui
    Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:09 AM
    To: ***@***.***; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
    I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
    We do what we can for European harmony.
    Juan.
    From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 10 March 2017 12:29
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Dear all,
    I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
    Cheers
    Francoise
    Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
    1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
    3. Pasted below f or convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
    * Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
    * Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
    * ACTIONS:
    * Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
    * Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
    * Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
    * Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
    * Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
    * Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point he re is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    Possible other topics for discussion:
    * Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
    * what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    6. Next call
    Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
    1
    16:00
    Francoise
    paris
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Hilary
    pisa
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    08:00
    Fran
    new york
    EDT
    -4
    11:00
    Kay
    gabarone
    CAT
    2
    17:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MDT
    -6
    09:00
    The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
    On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear all,
    Education & training paper
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
    New topic
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    . Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    * Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    * RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    * Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Kind regards
    Hilary
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    I just gave away the 27th April to something else. Although that should be finished before our meeting starts it means that I’ll be out of the office, probably in a café in London somewhere!
    Actually the things I am going to on the 27th is relevant to our discussions on Standardisation and I was going to email this subctte about it. It’s a meeting organised by BSI (Bristish Standards) who are planning to develop a suite of standards on “Big Data”.
    I’ll send an email after this so as to keep the two email chains separate.
    Juan.
    From: scollins=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Collins
    Sent: 10 March 2017 16:24
    To: jbminster; Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
    Cc: Bicarregui, Juan (STFC,RAL,SC); Francoise Genova
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Thanks all – I have filled it in too – we are nearly there and it looks like 18 or 19 or 27 April.
    Have a good weekend! Sandra.
    From: jbminster=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of jbminster
    Sent: 10 March 2017 15:55
    To: Berman; Council Strategy subcommittee
    Cc: Jean-Bernard Minster; JuanBicarregui; Francoise Genova
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    I will fill it after class, which starts imminently. Bernard
    On Mar 10, 2017, at 05:15, Berman wrote:
    Lonely no more! I filled it in too! ☺
    Fran
    Dr. Francine Berman
    Chair, Research Data Alliance / US
    Edward P. Hamilton Distinguished Professor of Computer Science
    Director, Center for a Digital Society
    Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
    http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~bermaf/
    From: juan.bicarregui=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of JuanBicarregui
    Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:09 AM
    To: ***@***.***; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Thanks for the reminder Francoise.
    I just filled it in too – and have exactly the same availability as you!
    We do what we can for European harmony.
    Juan.
    – Show quoted text -From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 10 March 2017 12:29
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Dear all,
    I just filled the doodle for the next meeting, and I feel so alone there!
    Cheers
    Francoise
    Le 08/03/2017 à 13:07, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
    1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
    3. Pasted below f or convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
    * Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
    * Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
    * ACTIONS:
    * Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
    * Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
    * Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
    * Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
    * Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
    * Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point he re is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    Possible other topics for discussion:
    * Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
    * what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    6. Next call
    Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
    1
    16:00
    Francoise
    paris
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Hilary
    pisa
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    08:00
    Fran
    new york
    EDT
    -4
    11:00
    Kay
    gabarone
    CAT
    2
    17:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MDT
    -6
    09:00
    The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
    On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear all,
    Education & training paper
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
    New topic
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    . Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    * Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    * RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    * Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Kind regards
    Hilary
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    Dear all,
    I think the best option for our next telco is Tuesday 18th April at our usual start time:
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
    Bernard, I note your message that you are travelling and uncertain of your availability or internet access – so we will keep our fingers crossed that you will be able to join us. If not, we will progress your paper at our next call – and apologies to not find a time when we had 100% availability.
    Hilary, could you please send the goto meeting details nearer the time, I know you are busy this week with the RDA EU proposal submission.
    Thanks all – please save this date in your diaries!
    All the best, Sandra.
    – Show quoted text -From: h.hanahoe=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Hilary Hanahoe
    Sent: 08 March 2017 12:08
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] RDA Council Strategy Subcommittee – Monday 6 March 15:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    many thanks for the fruitful call on Monday. The notes and actions are:
    1. Available on our wiki page at https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    2. Attached in word version here (also available from wiki) and
    3. Pasted below for convenience
    Please note the actions and complete the Doodle for the next call. before the completing the doodle I ask you to check the time zone in your location as included in the notes.
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Many thanks and see you all in Barcelona
    Hilary
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 6th March 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe, Jean Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Agenda & Notes (LINK TO WORD VERSION)
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    * What is the end target of this document? Is it a discussion paper for council?
    * How can RDA fruitfully engage with other organisations to achieve its vision and support its mission?
    * A strategic & systematic approach? No
    * Section 2 – “quote from ICSU from almost 10 years ago” – what has changed since then? ICSU did an assessment of its data activities in 2005 and this quote is a result of that along with a series of other changes in WDS and CODATA (re-birth). CODATA is now more forward thinking and forward acting about data issues while the unions are less “aligned” on those things. Purpose of inclusion of quote was that some ISCU unions could be strategic targets for RDA, others not.
    * Mark: this document is a statement of the landscape.
    * Does RDA want to be more strategic in its alliances going forward? So a set of questions should be included in the document to drive the discussion with Council.
    * ACTIONS / NEXT STEPS: Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc.
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment (already addressed by Mark) – Read 953 times – word version
    * Notes from call: it is not a recommendation but more of a position statement.
    * Read 953 times and no disapproving comments so “endorsed” by membership.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Bernard to take findings to council for information (informing them of the no. reads, no contrasting comments, 1 comment that has been taken on board) and give it a place in a more prominent & permanent place where it gets visibility.
    * Where does it go? Must be deposited in B2SHARE, put it under Reports & Publications and link it from About RDA.
    * Change order of names to Mark’s 1st and the Françoise
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments & 1172 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: discussion on the 6 comments received.
    * Griffin comment: support but no specific reaction / modification to the paper
    * Chalk: in support of Recommendations as standards – no modification required
    * Genova: NB to keep track of what is proposed on a standardisation track by the secretariat to make sure information is available to all.
    * Wolski – supportive.
    * Juan: encourage groups to use the platform to continue the discussion – support them in the post output process.
    * Provide the framework for “fast tracking” to support rather than invest effort
    * Has any work been done with ISO? Françoise says there is one going on already (some news given at Chairs meeting) and that should provide some insights ..
    * ACTIONS:
    * Juan to update the paper and address the comments / questions and clarify the recommendations and send to subcommittee
    * Subcommittee will respond within 1 week with reflection of today’s discussion
    * Final agreed document will be sent to council as a recommendation
    * Eventual comments and responses from Council will be captured in a new document (to be published in the same way as the interconnections position paper, etc.)
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments & 1915 reads – word version
    * Notes from call: comments:
    * Shiers comment to be incorporated
    * Chalk comments are contrasting to the paper proposal – groups / members should be the initiators of eventual educational / training programmes rather than RDA “central” supporting
    * Minster: somehow there should be a mechanism where we provide information on what scientists need to know in their own working / local environment => creation of an Interest Group (Francoise)
    * Ashley comments need some work to respond / integrate. Francoise could agree to include a list of questions and will re-work the first paragraph to clarify some aspects.
    * RDA is engaged in skills development – in its own way
    * Summer School comment: if groups would like to maintain recommendations that is their choice and it is not correct that RDA maintain summer school as a service.
    * ACTIONS:
    * Francoise to address comments (that can be addressed) and make clarifications that arose through comments – and a revised version will be circulated to Strategy Committee for eventual feedback.
    * Sustaining training question should be posed directly to council in the paper to be delivered for their consideration.
    * Francoise will discuss directly the “open” questions with Kevin and clarify the open issues based on a revised version of the paper.
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    ACTIONS: Francoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    Françoise: I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    Possible other topics for discussion:
    * Some topics may arise at the Plenary meeting
    * what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    6. Next call
    Action Hilary: Open a doodle for April 2017 (2nd 2 weeks of April)
    http://doodle.com/poll/md6yczwh4wpx4eg9
    Based on time changes & zones, the “optimal” time would be 15:00 UTC which will be:
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Dublin
    IST
    1
    16:00
    Juan
    london
    BST
    1
    16:00
    Francoise
    paris
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Hilary
    pisa
    CEST
    2
    17:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    08:00
    Fran
    new york
    EDT
    -4
    11:00
    Kay
    gabarone
    CAT
    2
    17:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MDT
    -6
    09:00
    The doodle also proposes the less convenient time of 14:00 UTC
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CET
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
    On 06/03/2017 13:31, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear all,
    Education & training paper
    I am checking K. Ashley’s comments on the ‘education and training’ paper. He is refering to ‘other contemporary council sub-committee papers’ on the subject, saying that this one is not as clearly stated as the other ones. Mark, do you know what he refers to? There are no relevant document linked from the Sucomittees’ web page except ‘our’ one.
    I hope that we will have a few minutes to discuss the comments on that document.
    New topic
    I proposed several months ago to open the possibility for RDA to express ‘statements’ on sociological aspects of data sharing, as explained in a message I sent on December 4th (see below). FYI there will be a BoF at P9 to form the Disciplinary Interoperability Framework IG.
    Looking forward to talking to you later today
    Francoise
    As you know, the RDA makes strong statements on some topics, e.g., the key importance of PIDs. The point here is that it might also make statements on more sociological aspects which are key enabling factors for the sharing of scientific data. I guess that every time one of us advocates data sharing in front of scientists, the question of the criteria used to evaluate and promote researchers comes out. The HLEG EOSC wrote strong words on the question in its report, but this appears all the time. For instance at the last RDA Europe Science Workshop, the point appeared somehow on equal grounds with the need for standards!
    The RDA is here to build bridges to enable scientific data sharing. In this case there is an obvious critical problem. One possible strand of work would be that enough RDA members are interested to tackle aspects of the problem, and propose a WG or an IG to produce recommendations/outputs. This would be fully in the RDA remit. I wonder whether, in addition to that, we could gather input from the RDA community and produce a statement on the key difficulties with science data sharing seen with the scientists’ point of view. The implementation of solutions is as we know not on us, but anything we could do to help would be good I think, because the problem is very critical, and it is dificult to always answer that it is by no way in our hands. RDA now has its own weight in the debate and could decide to show up on these kinds of topics.
    TAB is discussing with the Group Chairs the possibility to build an IG gathering the disciplinary Groups, plus representatives of disciplines which are present in the RDA but do not feel the need to have a specifc Group. This could eventually be a place to discuss these things, although the main aim of the Group would be different, mainly oriented towards facilitating liaison between disciplinary and technical Groups and also to discuss aspects of the Ambassador endeavour.
    . Le 02/03/2017 à 13:35, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    As agreed, our next Strategy Subcommittee call is scheduled for Monday 6th march at 15:00UTC.
    The access details are pasted below and the agenda items for discussion (and associated documents are attached) are:
    1. Group review of Strategic alliances doc
    2. Infrastructure paper, next steps to submit to Council
    3. Standardisation paper: how to address the comments and what next
    4. Education paper: how to address the comments and what next
    5. Next topic for our group to consider.
    In reference to the papers that were open for RfCs, pleease note:
    2. Discussion on the outcomes of the RfCs for:
    * Initial thoughts and recommendations on RDA as a Standardisation body – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 7 comments
    * RDA as a training/education body? A certification body? Is there a mission/future here? –https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 4 comments
    * Building infrastructure through strategies of interconnection – https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/outcomes… – 1 comment already addressed by Mark
    I’ve attached the word versions of the papers with the comments listed but we need to address them and in some cases answers them.
    @bernard, can you confirm that the latest version of the paper for discussion is the one attached
    Kind regards
    Hilary
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