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Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC

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    Hilary Hanahoe
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    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call
    is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both
    the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the
    message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call
    (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/strategy-subcommittee-meetings-minutes),
    there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some
    possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel
    free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document –
    color=”#ff0000″>Bernard to add a closing
    section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we
    target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections),
    etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and
    circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper –
    color=”#ff0000″>Françoise to draft a short
    position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next
    call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists &
    researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
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    EUDAT Research Data Management Summer School, 3-7 July 2017, Heraklion, Crete – https://eudat.eu/eudat-summer-school
    RDA Plenary 10 – 19-21 September 2017, Montréal, Canada – https://www.rd-alliance.org/plenaries/rda-tenth-plenary-meeting-montreal-canada

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  • #131898

    Thanks so much Hilary, that’s perfect.
    Could Bernard or Mark also update us on any Council discussion of our submitted papers (in the telco)?
    Talk to you all soon – Sandra.
    From: h.hanahoe=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Hilary Hanahoe
    Sent: 12 April 2017 09:51
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Cc: Sandra Collins
    Subject: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…), there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document – Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper – Françoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions? Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
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    RDA EU – ENVRI Summer School on Data Management and Data Science – 12-16 June 2017, Helsinki/Espoo, Finland – http://blogs.helsinki.fi/rdasummerschool/
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    RDA Plenary 10 – 19-21 September 2017, Montréal, Canada – https://www.rd-alliance.org/plenaries/rda-tenth-plenary-meeting-montreal

  • #131897

    I still have to work on the ‘education & training’ paper to see how I
    can accommodate Kevin Ashley’s comments. It is already too late for the
    7-day-before-the-meeting limit, sorry. I will likely work on it during
    the week-end.
    Francoise

  • #131896

    I think that’s fine thanks Francoise, since we have already reviewed the paper, and the changes are not major.
    Thank you for doing this and talk to you next week – Sandra.
    – Show quoted text -From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 12 April 2017 10:18
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    I still have to work on the ‘education & training’ paper to see how I can accommodate Kevin Ashley’s comments. It is already too late for the 7-day-before-the-meeting limit, sorry. I will likely work on it during the week-end.
    Francoise
    Le 12/04/2017 à 11:13, Sandra Collins a écrit :
    Thanks so much Hilary, that’s perfect.
    Could Bernard or Mark also update us on any Council discussion of our submitted papers (in the telco)?
    Talk to you all soon – Sandra.
    From: h.hanahoe=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Hilary Hanahoe
    Sent: 12 April 2017 09:51
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Cc: Sandra Collins
    Subject: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…), there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document – Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper – Françoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions? Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
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    Boulder
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    RDA EU – ENVRI Summer School on Data Management and Data Science – 12-16 June 2017, Helsinki/Espoo, Finland – http://blogs.helsinki.fi/rdasummerschool/
    EUDAT Research Data Management Summer School, 3-7 July 2017, Heraklion, Crete – https://eudat.eu/eudat-summer-school
    RDA Plenary 10 – 19-21 September 2017, Montréal, Canada – https://www.rd-alliance.org/plenaries/rda-tenth-plenary-meeting-montreal

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  • #131895

    There is a possible inflexion of RDA strategy on ‘how to make money’ in
    Kevin’s suggestions. But this may be a question for the Council rather
    than for our Subcommittee.
    Francoise

  • #131890

    Dear colleagues,
    Two documents linked related to the Council Strategy Subcommittee:
    – A document about sociological aspects of data sharing (but not only),
    rather on RDA Statements
    – a new version of the Training/Education document, taking into account
    the comments gathered during the RfC and our discussion during the last
    teleconference. As discussed you are now invited to provide feedback on
    this new version – I understand that this will be an exchange by email.
    The updates are significant, so please have a look.
    I have not been able to send you these documents one week before the
    meeting. Apologies.
    Looking forward to discussing with you on Tuesday
    Francoise

  • #131888

    Mark Parsons
    Member

    Francoise, you are hitting us with some heavy stuff.
    Personally, I’m not ready to talk about the RDA Statements document. Part of RDA’s strength is its neutrality. We are not an activist organisation. So I want to think more about making “statements”
    The education document is also complex. You’ve done well at trying to bring a lot of diverse pieces together. Unfortunately, I think we’re still a bit confused.
    Here is my assessment of the situation and your document. Did I get it right?
    RDA recognizes that training is an important and ongoing component of successful data sharing, but training is a general term with a broad scope. RDA needs to be more clear on its role in data stewardship training and education.
    Education through RDA currently comes in multiple ways:
    – knowledge gained by practitioners by networking with their colleagues
    – training on the use or implementation of RDA Recommendations and Supporting Outputs
    – RDA groups doing training — summer schools, cloud computing, general ed
    But the primary role of RDA is to provide the neutral forum to work out issues. We don’t want to go much beyond that. We are not a training organisation as such, but we provide a forum for the trainers to work out their issues. We develop curricula for others to teach.
    Correspondingly, we are not a certification body. We provide an excellent forum to work out the certification criteria, but another organisation should do the actual certification.
    There are also multiple training audiences notably, but not exclusively, data professionals and researchers producing or using data. RDA focusses more on the data professionals. We may develop materials for researchers, but we are not necessarily the instructors.
    The general RDA approach is to support and facilitate skills development for data professionals by defining criteria and guidleines. We leave ot to others to implement these criteria and to certify the results.
    cheers,
    -m.
    On Apr 15, 2017, at 10:49, Francoise Genova wrote:
    Dear colleagues,
    Two documents linked related to the Council Strategy Subcommittee:
    – A document about sociological aspects of data sharing (but not only), rather on RDA Statements
    – a new version of the Training/Education document, taking into account the comments gathered during the RfC and our discussion during the last teleconference. As discussed you are now invited to provide feedback on this new version – I understand that this will be an exchange by email. The updates are significant, so please have a look.
    I have not been able to send you these documents one week before the meeting. Apologies.
    Looking forward to discussing with you on Tuesday
    Francoise
    Le 12/04/2017 à 10:50, Hilary Hanahoe a écrit :
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…), there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document – Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper – Françoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions? Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
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    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
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    Boulder
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    Twitter: @hilaryhanahoe
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    _____________________________________
    RDA EU – ENVRI Summer School on Data Management and Data Science – 12-16 June 2017, Helsinki/Espoo, Finland – http://blogs.helsinki.fi/rdasummerschool/
    EUDAT Research Data Management Summer School, 3-7 July 2017, Heraklion, Crete – https://eudat.eu/eudat-summer-school
    RDA Plenary 10 – 19-21 September 2017, Montréal, Canada – https://www.rd-alliance.org/plenaries/rda-tenth-plenary-meeting-montreal

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  • #131886

    Hi Mark,
    Until now we have produced two documents which were not written the same
    way, one with some narrative (‘no-architecture’) and one with statements
    only(‘standardization body’). I asked at an earlier stage whether the
    group was ok to have a narrative for the education text, and there was
    no objection at that time. If the commitee agrees with you now I can
    extract conclusions, but I think that it can be useful to keep track of
    where they come from so to keep the text at least as an accompanying
    document.
    The ‘statement’ topic came from discussions with several people,
    including Barend. Let’s discuss later today.
    Best
    Francoise

  • #131885

    Hi all,
    Just confirming the agenda for our call today – telco details below in Hilary’s email. I’ve taken onboard Francoise’s new papers (attached) and Mark’s feedback.
    Agenda:
    1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Bernard
    2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    4. Ideas for new papers, including:
    – What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    – Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    5. AOB, next meeting.
    Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
    Talk to you all soon and thanks! Sandra.
    From: Hilary Hanahoe [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
    Sent: 12 April 2017 09:45
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Cc: Sandra Collins
    Subject: Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…), there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document – Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper – Françoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions? Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
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    IST
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    2
    16:00
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    2
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    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
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  • #131884

    Dear All,
    Please find attached, pasted below and on-line
    (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    [1])
    the notes from today’s call. I tried to capture the discussion as
    much as possible, please send any eventual corrections – there
    could be many 🙂
    For your convenience actions are summarised here below as well.
    It has been a great pleasure and honour for me to have been the
    secretariat liaison on this subcommittee and I will certainly miss
    the group.
    As agreed mark will let you know who the new liaison will be.
    Many thanks
    Hilary
    *ACTION: Sandra
    to prepare a 1-2 summary of
    the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and
    expectations
    towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date,
    request standardisation
    as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting
    in July 2017
    **Training
    /  Education paper:
    ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of
    the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure
    the document by
    mid-May 2017.**
    ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to
    agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next
    action.**
    ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin,
    Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the
    document in time for
    the F2F July council meeting.
    RDA Statements*
    **Action:
    Mark to draft a short paragraph on
    when Council and under what circumstance Council might make
    a statement
    **New topics to be covered:
    ***Action: Sandra to add to summary:
    “Scale of RDA or Growth management & sustainability”
    as a topic for this
    group to tackle post July council meeting
    Other
    ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version of
    startegic alliances document
    ****Council Strategy Subcommittee
    Meeting – 18th April
    2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)*
    *Participants: Fran Berman, Juan
    Bicarregui, Sandra
    Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe (Secretariat),
    Jean-Bernard Minster, Mark
    Parsons.*
    *Apologies: Kay Raseroka*
    *Agenda & Notes:*
    *1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure &
    standardisation) to Council – Mark*
    *Both
    papers
    presented at council and due to lack of time no specific
    decision taken. Is
    blessing enough? Infrastructure paper was “blessed” but
    standardisation paper
    requires more discussion. There should be an overall agenda
    point on the
    subcommittees work and future directions. *
    *ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2
    summary of
    the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and
    expectations
    towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date,
    request standardisation
    as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting
    in July 2017*
    *2.     Updated
    Education
    paper, group discussion – Francoise*
    *Revised
    version of education paper circulated by Francoise.
    Accommodates all comments received
    via the RfC and keeps the possibility that now things are
    structured / agreed
    in a certain way but leaves the door open for changes in
    direction in the
    future. Francoise would like committee members to agree on the
    content first
    and THEN agree on a structure.  *
    *Mark:
    does RDA have a position in training? 1. There are different
    kinds of training
    & education (both formal and informal) – perhaps we should
    clarify exactly
    what we refer to. 2. Clarify the exact message in the text: we
    are
    facilitators, correct? FG: yes we are facilitators but it is
    complex as there
    are training activities related to the groups so there are
    diverse activities
    and we should support them BUT RDA global is NOT a training
    body.*
    *The
    examples can cause confusion or distract from the main message
    but on the other
    hand they exemplify. There are elements of activity that are
    strictly related
    to supporting outputs. Example, a group that is created to
    support an output or
    provide specific training is a group / organisation activity.
    *
    *Maintaining
    a best practice requires something different than a volunteer
    work force – do we
    have the point of view or the work force to maintain this? No
    possibly not, it
    is not within the remit. The current version of the paper
    focuses on many of
    the complexities that indeed RDA faces and have been
    discussed. *
    *The
    CODATA / RDA Summer School is a good example should have
    delivered a
    recommendation of a CURRICULA (as in the spirit of RDA) and
    this is still
    outstanding. In this way others can (re-)use these tools in
    other training … Developing
    a course that trains on a recommendation – OK. delivering that
    course is for
    the organisations in the group not RDA.*
    *The
    revised version of the document could go for a revised /
    renewed RfC if
    necessary. *
    *The 3
    points provided by Mark (in violent agreement with this group
    discussions)
    summarise it well:*
    /Mark points (as sent
    by email on /17th
    18th Aperil) : /
    /RDA recognizes that
    training is an
    important and ongoing component of successful data sharing,
    but training is a
    general term with a broad scope. RDA needs to be more clear on
    its role in
    data stewardship training and education./
    /Education through
    RDA currently comes
    in multiple ways:/
    /    – knowledge
    gained by
    practitioners by networking with their colleagues/
    /    – training on
    the use
    or implementation of RDA Recommendations and Supporting
    Outputs/
    /    – RDA groups
    doing
    training — summer schools, cloud computing, general ed/
    /But the primary role
    of RDA is to
    provide the neutral forum to work out issues. We don’t want to
    go much beyond
    that. We are not a training organisation as such, but we
    provide a forum
    for the trainers to work out their issues. We develop
    curricula for others
    to teach./
    /Correspondingly, we
    are not a
    certification body. We provide an excellent forum to work out
    the certification
    criteria, but another organisation should do the actual
    certification./
    /There are also
    multiple training
    audiences notably, but not exclusively, data professionals and
    researchers
    producing or using data. RDA focusses more on the data
    professionals. We
    may develop materials for researchers, but we are not
    necessarily
    the instructors./
    /The general RDA
    approach is to
    support and facilitate skills development for data
    professionals by defining
    criteria and guidelines. We leave it to others to implement
    these criteria
    and to certify the results./
    *ACTION: Francoise to work on this
    version of
    the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to
    re-structure the document by
    mid-May 2017.*
    *ACTION: All members Strategy
    subcommittee to
    agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to
    next action.*
    *ACTION: Francoise to interact
    with Kevin,
    Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the
    document in time for
    the F2F July council meeting.***
    *3.     First
    draft
    Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise*
    *Proposal
    is
    made on the fact that many people expect RDA to make specific
    statements on
    specific topics externally (rather than just internally). As
    an example, the
    PID is a technological statement and a strong one at that. *
    *Mark:
    detected as a common theme across many working groups. There
    is no specific
    paper on that and it should come from the groups (groups of
    groups) and it must
    be community driven with a strong consensus behind it.
    Political advocacy could
    get us into trouble if we are not careful. The neutral forum
    is one of RDA’s
    biggest strengths and that does not mean there should not be
    strong statements
    but they MUST come from the community.*
    *Juan:
    very important topic to discuss and council should consider it
    and answer is
    not easy. PID as an example, nothing written and IF there were
    perhaps that
    would show differences of opinion. Careful to create a
    mechanism that might
    appear as a short cut to making formal statements. Data Fabric
    example, should
    it not follow the normal mechanism /& procedure as with
    all recommendations
    & outputs. Finally, careful about making statements /
    endorsing statements
    on behalf of others. *
    *Fran:
    technology
    neutrality is one of our guiding principles must be careful to
    remember those.
    Non-profit tied to scientific research struggle to not become
    political advocacy.
    Stay away from politics. Some aspects will require community
    discussion.*
    *Mark: use
    existing systems to facilitate this rather than build new
    one(s). Data Fabric
    output explains some parts of the PID things – could be viewed
    as a controversial
    proposal but it will not be clear until it goes out for public
    comment.*
    *Francoise:
    devil is in the detail. Sociological point: reward system is a
    good example and
    is recurring. The new domain IG (Koureas) being set up could
    help to *
    *Sandra:
    difference between a statement and a solution from a RDA
    group. *
    *Mark:
    Mechanisms
    allow for this and let the groups who have statements to make
    follow the
    process for this.*
    *BoF at P9
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/how-give-credit-scientists-their-involvement
    [2]*
    *Decision: no formal
    statement on
    statements but Françoise to follow the use it as an
    experiment to see what can
    be done. *
    *Are there
    any exceptions that would not go through the normal process?
    How would RDA deal
    with that? Mark example congress bill where RDA decided NOT to
    make a statement.
    If we did want to make a different decision what would the
    process be? Could
    RDA make a statement without going through the community
    process (RfC)? At the moment,
    we have no process for this. Low history of votes, split vote
    solution? Only quick
    solution could be that RDA Council makes a statement on behalf
    of RDA Council
    but NOT on behalf of the members as there is no quick
    turnaround with members
    in place. Should the members be consulted if they would be
    willing to “endorse”
    *
    *Mark
    suggests that we keep an eye on groups that might produce
    statements that might
    fall under this category. Meanwhile, to answer Juan’s point,
    write a short
    statement when council might want to make a statement as RDA
    Council bearing in
    mind that council is the only body that can do that and that
    it is in
    exceptional cases.*
    *Action: Mark to draft a short
    paragraph on
    when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a
    statement*
    *4.     Ideas
    for new
    papers, including:*
    *-          
    **What
    does it mean for RDA to
    interact with scientists & researchers?*
    *Engagement
    and communications subcommittee is also tackling that topic.
    So strategically
    it could be addressed by this one otherwise leave it to them
    to grapple with it
    for the moment.*
    *Francoise
    is already liaising with Amy on this one so no further action
    on this one
    required. *
    *-       Other topics that arose as
    a result of
    plenary discussions?*
    *Scale of
    RDA: do we imagine the size growth in terms of factors, what
    is the vision for
    the organisation in 5 years’ time and what structures are
    required to support
    it. Start from a blank slate on this. *
    *Future
    directions call to be discussed between now & July and
    Mark’s summary paper
    on the status highlights this but Growth management &
    Sustainability are very
    important topics. Sustainability has a subcommittee focusing
    on it. *
    *What does
    success look like at a greater level of scale than we are
    currently operating
    at? What is our goal? Where is the point on the horizon? *
    *Action: Sandra to add as a topic
    for this
    group to tackle post July council meeting*
    *Strategy
    subcommittee could make a recommendation and make some
    analysis to back that
    up.*
    *5.     AOB,
    next meeting.*
    *Next
    meeting will be scheduled AFTER the face to face Council
    meeting in July 2017. *
    *NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:*
    1. *Strategic Alliances*
    – */ACTION:
    Bernard to circulate a revised version to all before
    the next call.
    /**Note from Sandra for Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have
    taken Strategic
    Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to
    circulate the
    updated paper for discussion.***
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    Hi
    all,
     
    Just
    confirming the agenda for our call today – telco details
    below in Hilary’s email. I’ve taken onboard Francoise’s new
    papers (attached) and Mark’s feedback.
     
    Agenda:
    1.    
    Update
    on our two submissions (infrastructure &
    standardisation) to Council – Bernard
    2.    
    Updated
    Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    3.    
    First
    draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    4.    
    Ideas
    for new papers, including:
    –      
    What
    does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists &
    researchers?
    –      
    Other
    topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    5.    
    AOB,
    next meeting.
     
    Bernard,
    I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the
    agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the
    updated paper for discussion.
     
    Talk
    to you all soon and thanks! Sandra.
     
     
    *From:* Hilary Hanahoe
    [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com [3]]
    *Sent:* 12 April 2017 09:45
    *To:* ***@***.***-groups.org [4]
    *Cc:* Sandra Collins
    *Subject:* Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18
    April 14:00 UTC
     
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy
    subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00
    UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in
    your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a
    calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call
    (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str
    [5]),
    there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some
    possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please
    feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. *Strategic Alliances document* – *Bernard
    *to add a closing section at the end of the
    paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation
    of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the
    strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate
    to all
    2. *sociological aspects of data sharing paper* –
    *Françoise
    *to draft a short position statement paper
    for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists &
    researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
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  • #131883

    Sorry Folks. In the process of changing time zones, I somehow disabled the Daily time function on my watch, and was an hour late. Best- Bernard
    Jean-Bernard Minster
    ***@***.***

  • #131882

    No problem Bernard and I hope you can follow by the minutes and email.
    All the best, Sandra.
    From: jbminster [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: 18 April 2017 20:54
    To: Sandra Collins
    Cc: Jean-Bernard Minster; Hilary Hanahoe; ***@***.***-groups.org; Francoise Genova; JuanBicarregui; Mark Parsons; ***@***.***; ***@***.***
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Sorry Folks. In the process of changing time zones, I somehow disabled the Daily time function on my watch, and was an hour late. Best- Bernard
    Jean-Bernard Minster
    ***@***.***
    On Apr 18, 2017, at 04:34, Sandra Collins wrote:
    Hi all,
    Just confirming the agenda for our call today – telco details below in Hilary’s email. I’ve taken onboard Francoise’s new papers (attached) and Mark’s feedback.
    Agenda:
    1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Bernard
    2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    4. Ideas for new papers, including:
    – What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    – Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    5. AOB, next meeting.
    Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
    Talk to you all soon and thanks! Sandra.
    From: Hilary Hanahoe [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
    Sent: 12 April 2017 09:45
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Cc: Sandra Collins
    Subject: Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…), there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document – Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper – Françoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions? Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CEST
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CEST
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
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    EUDAT Research Data Management Summer School, 3-7 July 2017, Heraklion, Crete – https://eudat.eu/eudat-summer-school
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  • #131738

    Dear friends,
    The RDA Council face-to-face meeting is in the first week of July and I will present a report from our group.
    I’ve attached here the last versions I have of our 5 papers – 2 are final, 3 are draft (marked in the filename).
    Can you please confirm the drafts are the latest version Francoise and Bernard, and are you happy for the draft to be brought to Council as an appendix to the report (and marked as draft)?
    I will also note the other potential topics we would like to consider in the future (details in Hilary’s Notes form our last telco, also attached).
    I hope to write the report over the weekend – so if you could confirm the attached drafts (or send newer drafts if you have newer drafts) this weekend, then they could be included for the Council report.
    Thanks everyone, I will report back after the Council meeting and then we can set-up our next telco and plan our thinking for the rest of the year.
    All best wishes, Sandra.
    – Show quoted text -From: Hilary Hanahoe [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
    Sent: 18 April 2017 16:47
    To: Sandra Collins; ***@***.***-groups.org; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘JuanBicarregui’; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    Please find attached, pasted below and on-line (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…) the notes from today’s call. I tried to capture the discussion as much as possible, please send any eventual corrections – there could be many 🙂
    For your convenience actions are summarised here below as well.
    It has been a great pleasure and honour for me to have been the secretariat liaison on this subcommittee and I will certainly miss the group.
    As agreed mark will let you know who the new liaison will be.
    Many thanks
    Hilary
    ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
    Training / Education paper:
    ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
    ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
    ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
    RDA Statements
    Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
    New topics to be covered:
    Action: Sandra to add to summary: “Scale of RDA or Growth management & sustainability” as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
    Other
    ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version of startegic alliances document
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 18th April 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe (Secretariat), Jean-Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Apologies: Kay Raseroka
    Agenda & Notes:
    1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Mark
    Both papers presented at council and due to lack of time no specific decision taken. Is blessing enough? Infrastructure paper was “blessed” but standardisation paper requires more discussion. There should be an overall agenda point on the subcommittees work and future directions.
    ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
    2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    Revised version of education paper circulated by Francoise. Accommodates all comments received via the RfC and keeps the possibility that now things are structured / agreed in a certain way but leaves the door open for changes in direction in the future. Francoise would like committee members to agree on the content first and THEN agree on a structure.
    Mark: does RDA have a position in training? 1. There are different kinds of training & education (both formal and informal) – perhaps we should clarify exactly what we refer to. 2. Clarify the exact message in the text: we are facilitators, correct? FG: yes we are facilitators but it is complex as there are training activities related to the groups so there are diverse activities and we should support them BUT RDA global is NOT a training body.
    The examples can cause confusion or distract from the main message but on the other hand they exemplify. There are elements of activity that are strictly related to supporting outputs. Example, a group that is created to support an output or provide specific training is a group / organisation activity.
    Maintaining a best practice requires something different than a volunteer work force – do we have the point of view or the work force to maintain this? No possibly not, it is not within the remit. The current version of the paper focuses on many of the complexities that indeed RDA faces and have been discussed.
    The CODATA / RDA Summer School is a good example should have delivered a recommendation of a CURRICULA (as in the spirit of RDA) and this is still outstanding. In this way others can (re-)use these tools in other training … Developing a course that trains on a recommendation – OK. delivering that course is for the organisations in the group not RDA.
    The revised version of the document could go for a revised / renewed RfC if necessary.
    The 3 points provided by Mark (in violent agreement with this group discussions) summarise it well:
    Mark points (as sent by email on /17th 18th Aperil) :
    RDA recognizes that training is an important and ongoing component of successful data sharing, but training is a general term with a broad scope. RDA needs to be more clear on its role in data stewardship training and education.
    Education through RDA currently comes in multiple ways:
    – knowledge gained by practitioners by networking with their colleagues
    – training on the use or implementation of RDA Recommendations and Supporting Outputs
    – RDA groups doing training — summer schools, cloud computing, general ed
    But the primary role of RDA is to provide the neutral forum to work out issues. We don’t want to go much beyond that. We are not a training organisation as such, but we provide a forum for the trainers to work out their issues. We develop curricula for others to teach.
    Correspondingly, we are not a certification body. We provide an excellent forum to work out the certification criteria, but another organisation should do the actual certification.
    There are also multiple training audiences notably, but not exclusively, data professionals and researchers producing or using data. RDA focusses more on the data professionals. We may develop materials for researchers, but we are not necessarily the instructors.
    The general RDA approach is to support and facilitate skills development for data professionals by defining criteria and guidelines. We leave it to others to implement these criteria and to certify the results.
    ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
    ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
    ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
    3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    Proposal is made on the fact that many people expect RDA to make specific statements on specific topics externally (rather than just internally). As an example, the PID is a technological statement and a strong one at that.
    Mark: detected as a common theme across many working groups. There is no specific paper on that and it should come from the groups (groups of groups) and it must be community driven with a strong consensus behind it. Political advocacy could get us into trouble if we are not careful. The neutral forum is one of RDA’s biggest strengths and that does not mean there should not be strong statements but they MUST come from the community.
    Juan: very important topic to discuss and council should consider it and answer is not easy. PID as an example, nothing written and IF there were perhaps that would show differences of opinion. Careful to create a mechanism that might appear as a short cut to making formal statements. Data Fabric example, should it not follow the normal mechanism /& procedure as with all recommendations & outputs. Finally, careful about making statements / endorsing statements on behalf of others.
    Fran: technology neutrality is one of our guiding principles must be careful to remember those. Non-profit tied to scientific research struggle to not become political advocacy. Stay away from politics. Some aspects will require community discussion.
    Mark: use existing systems to facilitate this rather than build new one(s). Data Fabric output explains some parts of the PID things – could be viewed as a controversial proposal but it will not be clear until it goes out for public comment.
    Francoise: devil is in the detail. Sociological point: reward system is a good example and is recurring. The new domain IG (Koureas) being set up could help to
    Sandra: difference between a statement and a solution from a RDA group.
    Mark: Mechanisms allow for this and let the groups who have statements to make follow the process for this.
    BoF at P9 https://www.rd-alliance.org/how-give-credit-scientists-their-involvement
    Decision: no formal statement on statements but Françoise to follow the use it as an experiment to see what can be done.
    Are there any exceptions that would not go through the normal process? How would RDA deal with that? Mark example congress bill where RDA decided NOT to make a statement. If we did want to make a different decision what would the process be? Could RDA make a statement without going through the community process (RfC)? At the moment, we have no process for this. Low history of votes, split vote solution? Only quick solution could be that RDA Council makes a statement on behalf of RDA Council but NOT on behalf of the members as there is no quick turnaround with members in place. Should the members be consulted if they would be willing to “endorse”
    Mark suggests that we keep an eye on groups that might produce statements that might fall under this category. Meanwhile, to answer Juan’s point, write a short statement when council might want to make a statement as RDA Council bearing in mind that council is the only body that can do that and that it is in exceptional cases.
    Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
    4. Ideas for new papers, including:
    – What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    Engagement and communications subcommittee is also tackling that topic. So strategically it could be addressed by this one otherwise leave it to them to grapple with it for the moment.
    Francoise is already liaising with Amy on this one so no further action on this one required.
    – Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    Scale of RDA: do we imagine the size growth in terms of factors, what is the vision for the organisation in 5 years’ time and what structures are required to support it. Start from a blank slate on this.
    Future directions call to be discussed between now & July and Mark’s summary paper on the status highlights this but Growth management & Sustainability are very important topics. Sustainability has a subcommittee focusing on it.
    What does success look like at a greater level of scale than we are currently operating at? What is our goal? Where is the point on the horizon?
    Action: Sandra to add as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
    Strategy subcommittee could make a recommendation and make some analysis to back that up.
    5. AOB, next meeting.
    Next meeting will be scheduled AFTER the face to face Council meeting in July 2017.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances – ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version to all before the next call.
    Note from Sandra for Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
    On 18/04/2017 13:34, Sandra Collins wrote:
    Hi all,
    Just confirming the agenda for our call today – telco details below in Hilary’s email. I’ve taken onboard Francoise’s new papers (attached) and Mark’s feedback.
    Agenda:
    1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Bernard
    2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    4. Ideas for new papers, including:
    – What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    – Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    5. AOB, next meeting.
    Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
    Talk to you all soon and thanks! Sandra.
    From: Hilary Hanahoe [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
    Sent: 12 April 2017 09:45
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Cc: Sandra Collins
    Subject: Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…), there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document – Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper – Françoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions? Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
    Who
    Location
    Timezone
    UTC
    Participant Start Time
    Sandra
    Ireland
    IST
    1
    15:00
    Juan
    UK
    BST
    1
    15:00
    Francoise
    France
    CEST
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CEST
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
    Mark
    Boulder
    MST
    -6
    08:00
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  • #131734

    Dear Sandra,
    I have not been able to work on the ‘Education and Training Draft’. I
    will have time during the June 26-30 week so if we make some progress I
    guess that a better version can always been sent at a later stage.
    I attended the Chair collaboration meeting in Goethenburg this week.
    There were interesting discussions on several topics, in particular the
    relationship with other organisations. One of the Interest Groups,
    Global Water Information, is mapping OGC and RDA Groups. There has also
    been discussions with a representative of W3C on possible participation
    of RDA members to one of their Groups (Keith Jeffery has been the
    contact person, the W3C Group is their Data Exchange Working Group which
    plans to improve DCAT Data Catalogue Vocabulary
    https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/). I had to leave before that session
    so I don’t know the details for the moment. I think that it would be
    very useful at that stage to get more officially in touch with the W3C,
    if we want in particular to give a common branding to some of their results.
    Best wishes
    Francoise

  • #131730

    Dear Francoise, all,
    I think that’s fine thanks Francoise, I know how busy you are.
    I have drafted our paper for Council – please see attached.
    I have written a 2-page summary of our process and approach re topics, and requested Council feedback.
    Then I added all 5 papers as appendices in the latest drafts I have received. I noted some are working drafts and feedback would be welcome.
    We are seeking approval for the two final drafts, namely infrastructure and standardisation.
    All comments welcome – please edit in the attached doc with changes tracked.
    I need to get it to Mark shortly, so could we say comments by Wednesday latest, after which it will be included in the Council papers.
    Many thanks to you all – Sandra.
    – Show quoted text -From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 18 June 2017 09:44
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear Sandra,
    I have not been able to work on the ‘Education and Training Draft’. I will have time during the June 26-30 week so if we make some progress I guess that a better version can always been sent at a later stage.
    I attended the Chair collaboration meeting in Goethenburg this week. There were interesting discussions on several topics, in particular the relationship with other organisations. One of the Interest Groups, Global Water Information, is mapping OGC and RDA Groups. There has also been discussions with a representative of W3C on possible participation of RDA members to one of their Groups (Keith Jeffery has been the contact person, the W3C Group is their Data Exchange Working Group which plans to improve DCAT Data Catalogue Vocabulary https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/). I had to leave before that session so I don’t know the details for the moment. I think that it would be very useful at that stage to get more officially in touch with the W3C, if we want in particular to give a common branding to some of their results.
    Best wishes
    Francoise
    Le 16/06/2017 à 10:50, Sandra Collins a écrit :
    Dear friends,
    The RDA Council face-to-face meeting is in the first week of July and I will present a report from our group.
    I’ve attached here the last versions I have of our 5 papers – 2 are final, 3 are draft (marked in the filename).
    Can you please confirm the drafts are the latest version Francoise and Bernard, and are you happy for the draft to be brought to Council as an appendix to the report (and marked as draft)?
    I will also note the other potential topics we would like to consider in the future (details in Hilary’s Notes form our last telco, also attached).
    I hope to write the report over the weekend – so if you could confirm the attached drafts (or send newer drafts if you have newer drafts) this weekend, then they could be included for the Council report.
    Thanks everyone, I will report back after the Council meeting and then we can set-up our next telco and plan our thinking for the rest of the year.
    All best wishes, Sandra.
    From: Hilary Hanahoe [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
    Sent: 18 April 2017 16:47
    To: Sandra Collins; ***@***.***-groups.org; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘JuanBicarregui’; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***‘; ‘***@***.***
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    Please find attached, pasted below and on-line (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…) the notes from today’s call. I tried to capture the discussion as much as possible, please send any eventual corrections – there could be many 🙂
    For your convenience actions are summarised here below as well.
    It has been a great pleasure and honour for me to have been the secretariat liaison on this subcommittee and I will certainly miss the group.
    As agreed mark will let you know who the new liaison will be.
    Many thanks
    Hilary
    ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
    Training / Education paper:
    ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
    ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
    ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
    RDA Statements
    Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
    New topics to be covered:
    Action: Sandra to add to summary: “Scale of RDA or Growth management & sustainability” as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
    Other
    ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version of startegic alliances document
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 18th April 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe (Secretariat), Jean-Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Apologies: Kay Raseroka
    Agenda & Notes:
    1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Mark
    Both papers presented at council and due to lack of time no specific decision taken. Is blessing enough? Infrastructure paper was “blessed” but standardisation paper requires more discussion. There should be an overall agenda point on the subcommittees work and future directions.
    ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
    2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    Revised version of education paper circulated by Francoise. Accommodates all comments received via the RfC and keeps the possibility that now things are structured / agreed in a certain way but leaves the door open for changes in direction in the future. Francoise would like committee members to agree on the content first and THEN agree on a structure.
    Mark: does RDA have a position in training? 1. There are different kinds of training & education (both formal and informal) – perhaps we should clarify exactly what we refer to. 2. Clarify the exact message in the text: we are facilitators, correct? FG: yes we are facilitators but it is complex as there are training activities related to the groups so there are diverse activities and we should support them BUT RDA global is NOT a training body.
    The examples can cause confusion or distract from the main message but on the other hand they exemplify. There are elements of activity that are strictly related to supporting outputs. Example, a group that is created to support an output or provide specific training is a group / organisation activity.
    Maintaining a best practice requires something different than a volunteer work force – do we have the point of view or the work force to maintain this? No possibly not, it is not within the remit. The current version of the paper focuses on many of the complexities that indeed RDA faces and have been discussed.
    The CODATA / RDA Summer School is a good example should have delivered a recommendation of a CURRICULA (as in the spirit of RDA) and this is still outstanding. In this way others can (re-)use these tools in other training … Developing a course that trains on a recommendation – OK. delivering that course is for the organisations in the group not RDA.
    The revised version of the document could go for a revised / renewed RfC if necessary.
    The 3 points provided by Mark (in violent agreement with this group discussions) summarise it well:
    Mark points (as sent by email on /17th 18th Aperil) :
    RDA recognizes that training is an important and ongoing component of successful data sharing, but training is a general term with a broad scope. RDA needs to be more clear on its role in data stewardship training and education.
    Education through RDA currently comes in multiple ways:
    – knowledge gained by practitioners by networking with their colleagues
    – training on the use or implementation of RDA Recommendations and Supporting Outputs
    – RDA groups doing training — summer schools, cloud computing, general ed
    But the primary role of RDA is to provide the neutral forum to work out issues. We don’t want to go much beyond that. We are not a training organisation as such, but we provide a forum for the trainers to work out their issues. We develop curricula for others to teach.
    Correspondingly, we are not a certification body. We provide an excellent forum to work out the certification criteria, but another organisation should do the actual certification.
    There are also multiple training audiences notably, but not exclusively, data professionals and researchers producing or using data. RDA focusses more on the data professionals. We may develop materials for researchers, but we are not necessarily the instructors.
    The general RDA approach is to support and facilitate skills development for data professionals by defining criteria and guidelines. We leave it to others to implement these criteria and to certify the results.
    ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
    ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
    ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
    3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    Proposal is made on the fact that many people expect RDA to make specific statements on specific topics externally (rather than just internally). As an example, the PID is a technological statement and a strong one at that.
    Mark: detected as a common theme across many working groups. There is no specific paper on that and it should come from the groups (groups of groups) and it must be community driven with a strong consensus behind it. Political advocacy could get us into trouble if we are not careful. The neutral forum is one of RDA’s biggest strengths and that does not mean there should not be strong statements but they MUST come from the community.
    Juan: very important topic to discuss and council should consider it and answer is not easy. PID as an example, nothing written and IF there were perhaps that would show differences of opinion. Careful to create a mechanism that might appear as a short cut to making formal statements. Data Fabric example, should it not follow the normal mechanism /& procedure as with all recommendations & outputs. Finally, careful about making statements / endorsing statements on behalf of others.
    Fran: technology neutrality is one of our guiding principles must be careful to remember those. Non-profit tied to scientific research struggle to not become political advocacy. Stay away from politics. Some aspects will require community discussion.
    Mark: use existing systems to facilitate this rather than build new one(s). Data Fabric output explains some parts of the PID things – could be viewed as a controversial proposal but it will not be clear until it goes out for public comment.
    Francoise: devil is in the detail. Sociological point: reward system is a good example and is recurring. The new domain IG (Koureas) being set up could help to
    Sandra: difference between a statement and a solution from a RDA group.
    Mark: Mechanisms allow for this and let the groups who have statements to make follow the process for this.
    BoF at P9 https://www.rd-alliance.org/how-give-credit-scientists-their-involvement
    Decision: no formal statement on statements but Françoise to follow the use it as an experiment to see what can be done.
    Are there any exceptions that would not go through the normal process? How would RDA deal with that? Mark example congress bill where RDA decided NOT to make a statement. If we did want to make a different decision what would the process be? Could RDA make a statement without going through the community process (RfC)? At the moment, we have no process for this. Low history of votes, split vote solution? Only quick solution could be that RDA Council makes a statement on behalf of RDA Council but NOT on behalf of the members as there is no quick turnaround with members in place. Should the members be consulted if they would be willing to “endorse”
    Mark suggests that we keep an eye on groups that might produce statements that might fall under this category. Meanwhile, to answer Juan’s point, write a short statement when council might want to make a statement as RDA Council bearing in mind that council is the only body that can do that and that it is in exceptional cases.
    Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
    4. Ideas for new papers, including:
    – What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    Engagement and communications subcommittee is also tackling that topic. So strategically it could be addressed by this one otherwise leave it to them to grapple with it for the moment.
    Francoise is already liaising with Amy on this one so no further action on this one required.
    – Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    Scale of RDA: do we imagine the size growth in terms of factors, what is the vision for the organisation in 5 years’ time and what structures are required to support it. Start from a blank slate on this.
    Future directions call to be discussed between now & July and Mark’s summary paper on the status highlights this but Growth management & Sustainability are very important topics. Sustainability has a subcommittee focusing on it.
    What does success look like at a greater level of scale than we are currently operating at? What is our goal? Where is the point on the horizon?
    Action: Sandra to add as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
    Strategy subcommittee could make a recommendation and make some analysis to back that up.
    5. AOB, next meeting.
    Next meeting will be scheduled AFTER the face to face Council meeting in July 2017.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances – ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version to all before the next call.
    Note from Sandra for Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
    On 18/04/2017 13:34, Sandra Collins wrote:
    Hi all,
    Just confirming the agenda for our call today – telco details below in Hilary’s email. I’ve taken onboard Francoise’s new papers (attached) and Mark’s feedback.
    Agenda:
    1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Bernard
    2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    4. Ideas for new papers, including:
    – What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    – Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    5. AOB, next meeting.
    Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
    Talk to you all soon and thanks! Sandra.
    From: Hilary Hanahoe [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
    Sent: 12 April 2017 09:45
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Cc: Sandra Collins
    Subject: Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…), there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document – Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper – Françoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions? Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
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    France
    CEST
    2
    16:00
    Hilary
    Italy
    CEST
    2
    16:00
    Bernard
    San Diego
    PDT
    -7
    07:00
    Fran
    Troy
    EDT
    -4
    10:00
    Kay
    Botswana
    CAT
    2
    16:00
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    Boulder
    MST
    -6
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    Dear Francoise, all,
    I think that’s fine thanks Francoise, I know how busy you are.
    I have drafted our paper for Council – please see attached.
    I have written a 2-page summary of our process and approach re topics, and requested Council feedback.
    Then I added all 5 papers as appendices in the latest drafts I have received. I noted some are working drafts and feedback would be welcome.
    We are seeking approval for the two final drafts, namely infrastructure and standardisation.
    All comments welcome – please edit in the attached doc with changes tracked.
    I need to get it to Mark shortly, so could we say comments by Wednesday latest, after which it will be included in the Council papers.
    Many thanks to you all – Sandra.
    From: francoise.genova=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of Francoise Genova
    Sent: 18 June 2017 09:44
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear Sandra,
    I have not been able to work on the ‘Education and Training Draft’. I will have time during the June 26-30 week so if we make some progress I guess that a better version can always been sent at a later stage.
    I attended the Chair collaboration meeting in Goethenburg this week. There were interesting discussions on several topics, in particular the relationship with other organisations. One of the Interest Groups, Global Water Information, is mapping OGC and RDA Groups. There has also been discussions with a representative of W3C on possible participation of RDA members to one of their Groups (Keith Jeffery has been the contact person, the W3C Group is their Data Exchange Working Group which plans to improve DCAT Data Catalogue Vocabulary https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/). I had to leave before that session so I don’t know the details for the moment. I think that it would be very useful at that stage to get more officially in touch with the W3C, if we want in particular to give a common branding to some of their results.
    Best wishes
    Francoise
    Le 16/06/2017 à 10:50, Sandra Collins a écrit :
    Dear friends,
    The RDA Council face-to-face meeting is in the first week of July and I will present a report from our group.
    I’ve attached here the last versions I have of our 5 papers – 2 are final, 3 are draft (marked in the filename).
    Can you please confirm the drafts are the latest version Francoise and Bernard, and are you happy for the draft to be brought to Council as an appendix to the report (and marked as draft)?
    I will also note the other potential topics we would like to consider in the future (details in Hilary’s Notes form our last telco, also attached).
    I hope to write the report over the weekend – so if you could confirm the attached drafts (or send newer drafts if you have newer drafts) this weekend, then they could be included for the Council report.
    Thanks everyone, I will report back after the Council meeting and then we can set-up our next telco and plan our thinking for the rest of the year.
    All best wishes, Sandra.
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    Subject: Re: [council-strategy] Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    Please find attached, pasted below and on-line (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…) the notes from today’s call. I tried to capture the discussion as much as possible, please send any eventual corrections – there could be many 🙂
    For your convenience actions are summarised here below as well.
    It has been a great pleasure and honour for me to have been the secretariat liaison on this subcommittee and I will certainly miss the group.
    As agreed mark will let you know who the new liaison will be.
    Many thanks
    Hilary
    ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
    Training / Education paper:
    ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
    ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
    ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
    RDA Statements
    Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
    New topics to be covered:
    Action: Sandra to add to summary: “Scale of RDA or Growth management & sustainability” as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
    Other
    ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version of startegic alliances document
    Council Strategy Subcommittee Meeting – 18th April 2017 (15:00 – 16:30 UTC)
    Participants: Fran Berman, Juan Bicarregui, Sandra Collins, Françoise Genova, Hilary Hanahoe (Secretariat), Jean-Bernard Minster, Mark Parsons.
    Apologies: Kay Raseroka
    Agenda & Notes:
    1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Mark
    Both papers presented at council and due to lack of time no specific decision taken. Is blessing enough? Infrastructure paper was “blessed” but standardisation paper requires more discussion. There should be an overall agenda point on the subcommittees work and future directions.
    ACTION: Sandra to prepare a 1-2 summary of the group, its direction, what has been covered to date and expectations towards council response. Include all outputs covered to date, request standardisation as a specific discussion point on Council Face to face meeting in July 2017
    2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    Revised version of education paper circulated by Francoise. Accommodates all comments received via the RfC and keeps the possibility that now things are structured / agreed in a certain way but leaves the door open for changes in direction in the future. Francoise would like committee members to agree on the content first and THEN agree on a structure.
    Mark: does RDA have a position in training? 1. There are different kinds of training & education (both formal and informal) – perhaps we should clarify exactly what we refer to. 2. Clarify the exact message in the text: we are facilitators, correct? FG: yes we are facilitators but it is complex as there are training activities related to the groups so there are diverse activities and we should support them BUT RDA global is NOT a training body.
    The examples can cause confusion or distract from the main message but on the other hand they exemplify. There are elements of activity that are strictly related to supporting outputs. Example, a group that is created to support an output or provide specific training is a group / organisation activity.
    Maintaining a best practice requires something different than a volunteer work force – do we have the point of view or the work force to maintain this? No possibly not, it is not within the remit. The current version of the paper focuses on many of the complexities that indeed RDA faces and have been discussed.
    The CODATA / RDA Summer School is a good example should have delivered a recommendation of a CURRICULA (as in the spirit of RDA) and this is still outstanding. In this way others can (re-)use these tools in other training … Developing a course that trains on a recommendation – OK. delivering that course is for the organisations in the group not RDA.
    The revised version of the document could go for a revised / renewed RfC if necessary.
    The 3 points provided by Mark (in violent agreement with this group discussions) summarise it well:
    Mark points (as sent by email on /17th 18th Aperil) :
    RDA recognizes that training is an important and ongoing component of successful data sharing, but training is a general term with a broad scope. RDA needs to be more clear on its role in data stewardship training and education.
    Education through RDA currently comes in multiple ways:
    – knowledge gained by practitioners by networking with their colleagues
    – training on the use or implementation of RDA Recommendations and Supporting Outputs
    – RDA groups doing training — summer schools, cloud computing, general ed
    But the primary role of RDA is to provide the neutral forum to work out issues. We don’t want to go much beyond that. We are not a training organisation as such, but we provide a forum for the trainers to work out their issues. We develop curricula for others to teach.
    Correspondingly, we are not a certification body. We provide an excellent forum to work out the certification criteria, but another organisation should do the actual certification.
    There are also multiple training audiences notably, but not exclusively, data professionals and researchers producing or using data. RDA focusses more on the data professionals. We may develop materials for researchers, but we are not necessarily the instructors.
    The general RDA approach is to support and facilitate skills development for data professionals by defining criteria and guidelines. We leave it to others to implement these criteria and to certify the results.
    ACTION: Francoise to work on this version of the paper and integrate Mark’s comments and try to re-structure the document by mid-May 2017.
    ACTION: All members Strategy subcommittee to agree via email within one week so Francoise can proceed to next action.
    ACTION: Francoise to interact with Kevin, Hugh & Harry (CODATA Summer School) and finalise the document in time for the F2F July council meeting.
    3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    Proposal is made on the fact that many people expect RDA to make specific statements on specific topics externally (rather than just internally). As an example, the PID is a technological statement and a strong one at that.
    Mark: detected as a common theme across many working groups. There is no specific paper on that and it should come from the groups (groups of groups) and it must be community driven with a strong consensus behind it. Political advocacy could get us into trouble if we are not careful. The neutral forum is one of RDA’s biggest strengths and that does not mean there should not be strong statements but they MUST come from the community.
    Juan: very important topic to discuss and council should consider it and answer is not easy. PID as an example, nothing written and IF there were perhaps that would show differences of opinion. Careful to create a mechanism that might appear as a short cut to making formal statements. Data Fabric example, should it not follow the normal mechanism /& procedure as with all recommendations & outputs. Finally, careful about making statements / endorsing statements on behalf of others.
    Fran: technology neutrality is one of our guiding principles must be careful to remember those. Non-profit tied to scientific research struggle to not become political advocacy. Stay away from politics. Some aspects will require community discussion.
    Mark: use existing systems to facilitate this rather than build new one(s). Data Fabric output explains some parts of the PID things – could be viewed as a controversial proposal but it will not be clear until it goes out for public comment.
    Francoise: devil is in the detail. Sociological point: reward system is a good example and is recurring. The new domain IG (Koureas) being set up could help to
    Sandra: difference between a statement and a solution from a RDA group.
    Mark: Mechanisms allow for this and let the groups who have statements to make follow the process for this.
    BoF at P9 https://www.rd-alliance.org/how-give-credit-scientists-their-involvement
    Decision: no formal statement on statements but Françoise to follow the use it as an experiment to see what can be done.
    Are there any exceptions that would not go through the normal process? How would RDA deal with that? Mark example congress bill where RDA decided NOT to make a statement. If we did want to make a different decision what would the process be? Could RDA make a statement without going through the community process (RfC)? At the moment, we have no process for this. Low history of votes, split vote solution? Only quick solution could be that RDA Council makes a statement on behalf of RDA Council but NOT on behalf of the members as there is no quick turnaround with members in place. Should the members be consulted if they would be willing to “endorse”
    Mark suggests that we keep an eye on groups that might produce statements that might fall under this category. Meanwhile, to answer Juan’s point, write a short statement when council might want to make a statement as RDA Council bearing in mind that council is the only body that can do that and that it is in exceptional cases.
    Action: Mark to draft a short paragraph on when Council and under what circumstance Council might make a statement
    4. Ideas for new papers, including:
    – What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    Engagement and communications subcommittee is also tackling that topic. So strategically it could be addressed by this one otherwise leave it to them to grapple with it for the moment.
    Francoise is already liaising with Amy on this one so no further action on this one required.
    – Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    Scale of RDA: do we imagine the size growth in terms of factors, what is the vision for the organisation in 5 years’ time and what structures are required to support it. Start from a blank slate on this.
    Future directions call to be discussed between now & July and Mark’s summary paper on the status highlights this but Growth management & Sustainability are very important topics. Sustainability has a subcommittee focusing on it.
    What does success look like at a greater level of scale than we are currently operating at? What is our goal? Where is the point on the horizon?
    Action: Sandra to add as a topic for this group to tackle post July council meeting
    Strategy subcommittee could make a recommendation and make some analysis to back that up.
    5. AOB, next meeting.
    Next meeting will be scheduled AFTER the face to face Council meeting in July 2017.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances – ACTION: Bernard to circulate a revised version to all before the next call.
    Note from Sandra for Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
    On 18/04/2017 13:34, Sandra Collins wrote:
    Hi all,
    Just confirming the agenda for our call today – telco details below in Hilary’s email. I’ve taken onboard Francoise’s new papers (attached) and Mark’s feedback.
    Agenda:
    1. Update on our two submissions (infrastructure & standardisation) to Council – Bernard
    2. Updated Education paper, group discussion – Francoise
    3. First draft Sociological paper, group discussion – Francoise
    4. Ideas for new papers, including:
    – What does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    – Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions?
    5. AOB, next meeting.
    Bernard, I hope this is ok, I have taken Strategic Alliances off the agenda since you did not get a chance to circulate the updated paper for discussion.
    Talk to you all soon and thanks! Sandra.
    From: Hilary Hanahoe [mailto:***@***.***-itservices.com]
    Sent: 12 April 2017 09:45
    To: ***@***.***-groups.org
    Cc: Sandra Collins
    Subject: Council Strategy Subcommittee Call – 18 April 14:00 UTC
    Dear All,
    as previously advised by Sandra, the next Strategy subcommittee call is scheduled for Tuesday 18 April at 14:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Both the access details and the time in your zone are at the end of the message. I will also send a calendar invite to you individually.
    Based on the actions and notes from the last call (https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/council-strategy-subcommittee/wiki/str…), there are some documents due for circulation pre call and some possible call topics for discussion, as listed below. Please feel free to add or comment in case I have missed anything:
    ACTIONS pre 18th April call:
    1. Strategic Alliances document – Bernard to add a closing section at the end of the paper with questions e.g. who should we target, prioritisation of groups (according to document sections), etc., what is the strategy with domain / scientific groups, etc. and circulate to all
    2. sociological aspects of data sharing paper – Françoise to draft a short position statement paper for consideration by the group for the next call.
    NEXT CALL TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION:
    1. Strategic Alliances
    2. Sociological aspects of data sharing
    3. what does it mean for RDA to interact with scientists & researchers?
    4. Other topics that arose as a result of plenary discussions? Anyone like to suggest?
    Many thanks
    Hilary
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    15:00
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    France
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    -7
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    Troy
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    -4
    10:00
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    Botswana
    CAT
    2
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    -6
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  • #131688

    Dear Sandra et al.
    I worked with Mark on a short text to summarise the Education & Training
    statement, based on his summary and keeping only a fraction of the
    original text. The narrative with examples could go in a web page
    somewhere on the RDA site as an illustration of the statement, which can
    be prepared at a later stage based on the previous version of the document.
    Can you please have a look? Do you think that this requires another RFC,
    or can it be sent to the Council?
    Cheers
    Francoise

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