Thanks to both of you.
Sure as little travel as possible.
But now let’s first see what SyA is coming up with.
Jamie is hitting a good point: where should this discussion take place?
For me at lest it is obvious that SyA is the right place.
best
peter
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An: Wittenburg, Peter; RDA Europe Synchronisation Assembly (SyA)
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Perfect sense; I’m ready to discuss (as Jamie says preferably without travel) whenever!
Best
Keith
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Subject: [synchronisation-assembly] AW: [synchronisation-assembly] AW: [synchronisation-assembly] 2 important RDA activities
Thanks Keith.
The plan must be that we have an open and broad discussion about options and possibilities. For me SyA is the bet platform for this discussion since all people engaged in RDA in Europe (as chairs, board members etc.) are “owning” RDA. Based on the interaction we should form a small group who can contribute to the discussion and that needs to deliver ideas.
Does this make sense?
Peter
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Von: Keith Jeffery [mailto:Keith.Jeffery@keithgjefferyconsultants.co.uk]
Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2016 17:12
An: Wittenburg, Peter; RDA Europe Synchronisation Assembly (SyA)
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Peter –
I am pleased you like the ideas. I am very willing to engage with the discussion and try to work up some concrete proposals. What’s the plan?
Best wishes
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Subject: [synchronisation-assembly] AW: [synchronisation-assembly] 2 important RDA activities
Thanks Keith.
your points are correct of course. We will have Mark around at the coming BoD meeting and we will ask him to give again an overview on the overall RDA finances. For RDA EU I can promise to give an update on funds that are available for other groups/initiatives than represented in the project.
Please accept that the sustainability plan is something we need to start working out – so this is more than an issue for the SyA and other discussions. So everyone’s input is welcome. Fran suggested that she could join the SyA meeting for a part when sustainability will be discussed to present the ideas of the US colleagues. So if SyA would like to make use of this option, this could be arranged.
Personally I think that your consultancy point is an excellent one which needs consideration. We started with the Atlas of Knowledge (at the beginning) and we have indeed a great group of senior and early career people active in RDA in some form. We should offer this knowledge and ask some fees for it. RDA EU would then be the broker who makes the links etc.
I see that we will get an inspired discussion.
Saw that Jamie also sent a message – will react on this in a moment.
best
Peter
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Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2016 08:30
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Betreff: Re: [synchronisation-assembly] 2 important RDA activities
Peter –
An interesting and necessary discussion.
1. It would help to understand RDA finances now in Europe (and internationally)
2. A ‘business plan’ or ‘sustainability plan’ is needed
3. Doubtless this will involve one or more of : subscriptions, licensing of RDA products, advertising on RDA webpages, RDA being paid for RDA people providing consultancy…. And hopefully EC support both as a baseline funding and for individual peer-reviewed project proposals
4. W3C is not a bad model
Best
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Subject: Re: [synchronisation-assembly] 2 important RDA activities
Dear Peter,
I am not sure if you were expecting any feedback on this point or not.
In any case we discussed this (Fran and I) very briefly over dinner last week.
It seems to me (us?) that there are two classes of events:
– Those where “self-financing” should be achievable (plenaries, WG+IG chairs meetings, thematic workshops etc. This might influence the choice of venue and necessitate higher registration fees).
– Those were this is less obvious (regional meetings, trainings etc.)
Some things could perhaps be done in a lighter way to save money but it is not clear how e.g. OA contributions could sustain the secretariat, newsletter, website etc. (Perhaps at least some of these should be global anyway: e.g. if I am involved in a global data project I am just as interested in events around the world as I am in those in Europe).
It is hard to comment more without understanding the current finances.
Of course, if the RDA could “burst out” in the way that the Web did ~25 years ago we wouldn’t be having this discussion – no-one asks whether the Web is sustainable (although it did concern TimBL very much in the early days).
Cheers, Jamie
On 13 Mar 2016, at 18:02, Peter.Wittenburg@mpi.nlmailto:Peter.Wittenburg@mpi.nl>mailto:peter.wittenburg@mpi.nl>> wrote:
Sustainability of RDA
This aspect is getting discussed at various places now, The US colleagues created a kind of White Paper about how funding of RDA US can look like after NSF funding will end in 2018. This interesting WP has been distributed to all 1000+ experts involved in RDA from the US side to open a broad discussion. I heard that the topic was also discussed in the Council. Yet we did not have a broad discussion in Europe and did not get any info from council. But also in Europe we need to open this discussions as well, although it seems that funds have been earmarked to RDA by EC within the next Work Programme, so we will have slightly more time until funding may come to an end. The Board of Directors of the RDA EU project will have a first discussion, but since RDA is owned by all engaged people, we need a broad discussion in Europe. I will check whether the WP of the US can be sent around openly to SyA.