Re: [rda-edu-ig] Draft Agenda - IG on Education and Training on Handling Research Data (IG-ETRD) meeting at RDA5 10 March 2015, San Diego

29 Jan 2015

Stephane, All,

I would not say this is a different focus. Data Science or Big Data is
still a driving force in changing modern research and science (as well
as industry). Researchers need tools (and knowledge) to do their
research and they look for a possibility to get proper education and
training. And surely, they need support from data archives managers and
as currently also stated from data librarians.

Indeed first few BoFs (before establishing IG) contained majority of
presentations from Data Science domains. That is why we put efforts to
involve contribution from data managers/librarians and more generally
from data preservation domains. And we had presentation from APARSEN at
the last meeting.

But still we should continue covering all aspects of data handling and
management domains and professions.

In this context can I repeat a call for contribution for the next IG
meeting?

Yuri

On 29/01/2015 17:50, Stephane Goldstein wrote:
> Dear Yuri,
>
> Thank you for the suggestion, and I hope you're keeping well.
>
> I'm worried that the focus still appears to be on data science and data scientists. The discussions that we have had at the two previous RDA plenaries made it clear that we need to consider training/skills/career development issues in the broader context of all those with an interest in RDM - i.e. data managers, data librarians/curators and researchers themselves, not just data scientists. I thought we had firmly agreed to follow that approach. Perhaps I've misunderstood something in your message, but we need to be careful in our use of terminology if we are to reflect what we talked about in Dublin and Amsterdam.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Stéphane
>
> Stéphane Goldstein
> Research Information Network
> Woburn House
> 20-24 Tavistock Square
> London WC1H 9HF
>
> tel: +44 (0)20 3397 3647
> email: stephane.goldstein@researchinfonet.org
> Skype: stephanegoldstein
> Twitter: stephgold7
> website: www.researchinfonet.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: y.demchenko=uva.nl@rda-groups.org [mailto:y.demchenko=uva.nl@rda-groups.org] On Behalf Of y.demchenko@uva.nl
> Sent: 29 January 2015 10:04
> To: rda-edu-ig@rda-groups.org
> Subject: [rda-edu-ig] Re: [rda-edu-ig] Draft Agenda - IG on Education and Training on Handling Research Data (IG-ETRD) meeting at RDA5 10 March 2015, San Diego
>
> Dear IG-ETRD members,
>
> We have two proposals for presentation and discussion topics at the next IG-ETRD meeting - see draft Agenda below.
>
> - Defining Data Scientist Competence Profile and Data Science Body of Knowledge, and
> - Educational and training resources on Data Science and supporting infrastructure
>
> Discussion on these topics on the list is welcome. I will post some our discovered materials and papers and will approach potential contributors.
>
> I hope that these two items will also constitute the IG work plan and discussion for the next few meetings.
>
> Any contribution and/or related short presentation would be appreciated.
>
> Yuri
>
> -------------
>
> Draft Agenda RDA5 IG-ETRD meeting
> 14:00-15:30 10 March 2015
>
> 1. Introduction
> 2. Update on developments since the last meeting (IG-ETRD chairs) 3. Defining Data Scientist Competence Profile and Data Science Body of
> Knowledge: Overview of existing frameworks and initiatives (Yuri Demchenko, UvA) 4. Educational and training resources on Data Science and research data handling and required infrastructure support: overview and existing platforms, EGI Training Marketplace (Tiziana Ferrari, EGI - TBC) 5. Free slot(s) - Open for proposals 6. Suggested IG-ETRD work plan - discussion of possible activities and IG members involvement.
> 7. AOB
>
> -----------------------
>
> On 23/01/2015 11:58, y.demchenko@uva.nl wrote:
>> Dear IG-ETRD members,
>>
>> This is the call for participation and Agenda items.
>>
>> Our meeting at RDA5 is scheduled at 14:30-16:00 on 10 March 2015
>> https://rd-alliance.org/plenary-meetings/fifth-plenary/programme.html
>>
>> Besides regular updates we can plan few short presentations, in
>> particular from from our American colleagues.
>>
>
>>
>> P.S. You can look for presentations from the last IG meeting and
>> EDISON Workshop
>> https://www.rd-alliance.org/groups/education-and-training-handling-res
>> earch-data.html
>>
>
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  • Joy Davidson's picture

    Author: Joy Davidson

    Date: 02 Feb, 2015

    Hi everyone,

    Just to echo Stephane's sentiments, I'd be keen to see this group focus on working towards bridging the data skills for all roles in the research lifecycle. The H2020 INFRASUPP calls clearly indicate that they want to increase the data capacity for a wide range of roles - managers, engineers, technicians - as well as researchers so I think it would be good for us to keep this broader focus as well. 

    Since our last meeting in September, a new initaitve has started that may be relevant to the work we're undertaking. The European Data Science Academy (EDSA) is a consortium being led by the Open University. The consortium have an initial curricula for data scientists so this may be one aspect to explore during the next meeting. In additional to the topics listed, the initiative also had a dashboard illustrating demand for data skills across Europe. 

    http://edsa-project.eu/ 

    http://edsa-project.eu/dashboard/

    All the best,

    Joy 

  • Yuri Demchenko's picture

    Author: Yuri Demchenko

    Date: 02 Feb, 2015

    Joy,

    Thank you for this information.

    Is anybody from The European Data Science Academy (EDSA) attending the
    meeting? Can we get their presentation and vision? Are you attending?

    Yuri

    On 02/02/2015 12:55, Joy Davidson wrote:
    > Hi everyone,
    >
    > Just to echo Stephane's sentiments, I'd be keen to see this group focus
    > on working towards bridging the data skills for all roles in the
    > research lifecycle. The H2020 INFRASUPP calls clearly indicate that they
    > want to increase the data capacity for a wide range of roles - managers,
    > engineers, technicians - as well as researchers so I think it would be
    > good for us to keep this broader focus as well.
    >
    > Since our last meeting in September, a new initaitve has started that
    > may be relevant to the work we're undertaking. The European Data Science
    > Academy (EDSA) is a consortium being led by the Open University. The
    > consortium have an initial curricula for data scientists so this may be
    > one aspect to explore during the next meeting. In additional to the
    > topics listed, the initiative also had a dashboard illustrating demand
    > for data skills across Europe.
    >
    > http://edsa-project.eu/
    >
    > http://edsa-project.eu/dashboard/
    >
    > All the best,
    >
    > Joy
    >
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  • Stéphane Goldstein's picture

    Author: Stéphane Goldstein

    Date: 03 Feb, 2015

    Dear all,

    I quite agree with Yuri's point that data science is a major driving force, and of course the role and skills of data scientists is fundamentally important. But I remain very concerned that the presentation proposals for the IG session only talk about data science/scientists. The terms of reference of the IG are clear: the Group will "make the case for creating taxonomies of the skills required by different group of data management specialists/professionals and elaborating reference models” (my italics).

    There was a clear understanding at the last plenary in Amsterdam that we need to have an approach that englobes a wider range of roles and professions around the use of research data. Moreover, at the second of our IG sessions, and after much discussion, we agreed to lay the basis for a possible working group focused on developing taxonomy with the aim of setting out skills, attributes and competencies, and perhaps match these to roles and professions.

    We also agreed that the first step was to draft a short 1-2 page statement to set out what we might achieve and serve as a basis for further discussion; as far as I know, this hasn’t happened yet.

    For these reasons, I strongly feel that the proposed presentation at San Diego should make explicit reference to the competence profiles of all professions associated with research data, not just data scientists; and to education and training resources for data librarianship, management, curation, etc., and not just data science. If possible, we should also seek to prepare the above statement in advance of the meeting, so that we have something concrete to talk about.

    Yuri – I’m sorry to appear so insistent, but I’m worried that we’re losing momentum; we had the beginnings of a plan at the last plenary, and it seems to me that we should stick to that. I’ve seen a couple of comments in reaction to our earlier exchange of messages, but it would be good if other members of the IG provided their views too.

    Best wishes,

    Stéphane

    Stéphane Goldstein

    Research Information Network

    Woburn House

    20-24 Tavistock Square

    London WC1H 9HF

    tel: +44 (0)20 3397 3647

    email: stephane.goldstein@researchinfonet.org

    Skype: stephanegoldstein

    Twitter: stephgold7

    website: www.researchinfonet.org

    -----Original Message-----
    From: y.demchenko=uva.nl@rda-groups.org [mailto:y.demchenko=uva.nl@rda-groups.org] On Behalf Of y.demchenko@uva.nl
    Sent: 29 January 2015 21:22
    To: Stephane Goldstein; rda-edu-ig@rda-groups.org
    Subject: [rda-edu-ig] Re: [rda-edu-ig] Draft Agenda - IG on Education and Training on Handling Research Data (IG-ETRD) meeting at RDA5 10 March 2015, San Diego

    Stephane, All,

    I would not say this is a different focus. Data Science or Big Data is still a driving force in changing modern research and science (as well as industry). Researchers need tools (and knowledge) to do their research and they look for a possibility to get proper education and training. And surely, they need support from data archives managers and as currently also stated from data librarians.

    Indeed first few BoFs (before establishing IG) contained majority of presentations from Data Science domains. That is why we put efforts to involve contribution from data managers/librarians and more generally from data preservation domains. And we had presentation from APARSEN at the last meeting.

    But still we should continue covering all aspects of data handling and management domains and professions.

    In this context can I repeat a call for contribution for the next IG meeting?

    Yuri

    On 29/01/2015 17:50, Stephane Goldstein wrote:

    > Dear Yuri,

    >

    > Thank you for the suggestion, and I hope you're keeping well.

    >

    > I'm worried that the focus still appears to be on data science and data scientists. The discussions that we have had at the two previous RDA plenaries made it clear that we need to consider training/skills/career development issues in the broader context of all those with an interest in RDM - i.e. data managers, data librarians/curators and researchers themselves, not just data scientists. I thought we had firmly agreed to follow that approach. Perhaps I've misunderstood something in your message, but we need to be careful in our use of terminology if we are to reflect what we talked about in Dublin and Amsterdam.

    >

    > Best wishes,

    >

    > Stéphane

    >

    > Stéphane Goldstein

    > Research Information Network

    > Woburn House

    > 20-24 Tavistock Square

    > London WC1H 9HF

    >

    > tel: +44 (0)20 3397 3647

    > email: stephane.goldstein@researchinfonet.org

    > Skype: stephanegoldstein

    > Twitter: stephgold7

    > website: www.researchinfonet.org

    >

    >

    >

    > -----Original Message-----

    > From: y.demchenko=uva.nl@rda-groups.org

    > [mailto:y.demchenko=uva.nl@rda-groups.org] On Behalf Of

    > y.demchenko@uva.nl

    > Sent: 29 January 2015 10:04

    > To: rda-edu-ig@rda-groups.org

    > Subject: [rda-edu-ig] Re: [rda-edu-ig] Draft Agenda - IG on Education

    > and Training on Handling Research Data (IG-ETRD) meeting at RDA5 10

    > March 2015, San Diego

    >

    > Dear IG-ETRD members,

    >

    > We have two proposals for presentation and discussion topics at the next IG-ETRD meeting - see draft Agenda below.

    >

    > - Defining Data Scientist Competence Profile and Data Science Body of

    > Knowledge, and

    > - Educational and training resources on Data Science and supporting

    > infrastructure

    >

    > Discussion on these topics on the list is welcome. I will post some our discovered materials and papers and will approach potential contributors.

    >

    > I hope that these two items will also constitute the IG work plan and discussion for the next few meetings.

    >

    > Any contribution and/or related short presentation would be appreciated.

    >

    > Yuri

    >

    > -------------

    >

    > Draft Agenda RDA5 IG-ETRD meeting

    > 14:00-15:30 10 March 2015

    >

    > 1. Introduction

    > 2. Update on developments since the last meeting (IG-ETRD chairs) 3.

    > Defining Data Scientist Competence Profile and Data Science Body of

    > Knowledge: Overview of existing frameworks and initiatives (Yuri Demchenko, UvA) 4. Educational and training resources on Data Science and research data handling and required infrastructure support: overview and existing platforms, EGI Training Marketplace (Tiziana Ferrari, EGI - TBC) 5. Free slot(s) - Open for proposals 6. Suggested IG-ETRD work plan - discussion of possible activities and IG members involvement.

    > 7. AOB

    >

    > -----------------------

    >

    > On 23/01/2015 11:58, y.demchenko@uva.nl wrote:

    >> Dear IG-ETRD members,

    >>

    >> This is the call for participation and Agenda items.

    >>

    >> Our meeting at RDA5 is scheduled at 14:30-16:00 on 10 March 2015

    >> https://rd-alliance.org/plenary-meetings/fifth-plenary/programme.html

    >>

    >> Besides regular updates we can plan few short presentations, in

    >> particular from from our American colleagues.

    >>

    >

    >>

    >> P.S. You can look for presentations from the last IG meeting and

    >> EDISON Workshop

    >> https://www.rd-alliance.org/groups/education-and-training-handling-re

    >> s

    >> earch-data.html

    >>

    >

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